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Ripperologist magazine
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 5:48 pm: |       |
Hi all
Cover of forthcoming November issue.
This issue marks the tenth anniversary of the magazine. A lot has happened since the first issue edited by Mark Galloway in 1994; Eduardo Zinna looks at the issues discussed in our Pilot Issue and sees what has happened in the ten years since.
Also in this issue is a formidable article by Robin Odell exmaining how the Ripper sparked social reformers to take a good look at the East End; the Casebook's own Tom Wescott submits a convincing argument for the possibility of D'Onston penning Ripper letters. Add to this a link for Cleveland Street to Whitechapel, a new Diary World column by Jennifer Pegg, a centenary appreciation of Dan Leno and the return of Inspector Abberline Jr and more.... it all adds up to a 10th anniversary special you can't afford to miss. So subscribe now!
Adam Wood
Production, Ripperologist magazine
www.ripperologist.info
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Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 253
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 9:20 pm: | |
Hello all,
The Peggster now has a column for Rip? She already has one for Ripper Notes. What's up with that? Besides, I figured her article would be about Lees. She's now writing on Diary World? Didn't Mr. Begg just write an editorial warning everyone against the Diary threads? Is he now bringing this stuff inside the covers of his mag? Hmmm...Tune in and see. As for me, I'll reserve judgement.
'The Casebook's own Tom Wescott'. Ha ha. I like that, but you'd better check with Spry...I'm not sure he'd claim me! 
I believe I speak for all us subscribers when I say I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Robin Odell has to say.
All in all, this sounds like the best issue of Rip to come out in a while, and I'm not just saying that because there's a "convincing" essay by yours truly in there. The new issue of Ripper Notes is also coming out in November, so it'll be like Freddy vs Jason. Ha ha. If you don't wanna miss it, hop on over a.s.a.p-style to www.ripperologist.info and www.rippernotes.com and whip out the plastic. You can subscribe to both for less than the price of an Eddleston book, and you'll know what everyone's talking about when they show up here trashing my articles. You can even join in!
It's good, clean, Radka-free fun, folks, so what are you waiting for?
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott (property of Casebook.org)
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Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 114
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:38 pm: | |
Tom isn't kidding...These mags deserve our support,not only for the people who work hard putting them out,but for expanding research into areas relevant to the Case.
For example,Chris George's article on Samuel Montagu was outstanding in the last Ripperologist...Here was a seminal figure in the rewards offered by the "Jewish community",that in reality,believed in an every man for himself ethos, more in line with a 19th Century Ayn Rand..Montagu's decision to aide his fellow immigrants,especially the poorer arrivals,appears to have been altruism at its ultimate ,much to their benefit. I enjoyed the article,but most of all,I learned from it. I even have the temerity to disagree with the author,that Montagu's character was flawed...He was just a tough assed [ on the outside ]man,with a real compassion toward the less fortunate. A guy that I would identify with. A real mensch...Perhaps ambiguous,as most of us are at times,would be a better description. Sorry,C.G......
Tom asked youse before...What are you waiting for? These magazines NEED everyone's support.
They are well worth it....
Unless,of course,you want to wait until they are out of print and cost a fortune !
...and any magazine that would include anything by Wescott is a good 'un !
Yours Truly,
How Brown, property of his kids@
(Message edited by howard on November 05, 2004) |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1053
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 1:36 am: | |
Hi Tom and Howard
Thanks to both of you for your kind words about Ripperologist.
Howard, I am pleased that you liked my article about Samuel Montagu, M.P., and his philanthropy in the Jewish East End. I do firmly believe that understanding the community in which the murders took place enhances our understanding of the crimes, so look for more articles from me on the Jewish East End.
And, yes, Tom, your article, "Have You Seen the Devil: D'Onston and the Ripper Letters" is not to be missed for an in-depth exploration of D'Onston's possible connection to the Ripper letters. Excellent work, Tom. 
All the best
Chris
P.S. Isn't the new cover of the issue outstanding? Kudos to our technical/artistic maven Adam Wood for yet another brilliant achievement. 
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1236
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 10:54 am: | |
Hi Tom,
no it is a one off.
Jennifer
(not Peggster, ok!) |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 254
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 7:01 pm: | |
Chris,
Thank you for your comments on my article, though I should point out that you were instrumental in my consideration of D'Onston as Ripper writer when I wrote the first draft of that article a couple of years ago. As Adam's covers are always excellent, it's almost become redundant to say so, but yes, it looks awesome. There's no doubt it would catch many an eye at the newstand if Rip had the opportunity to be carried in the major chain bookstores. Any progress there?
Jennifer,
Don't fret, young miss. I've seen Paul Begg referred to as 'Beggy' by people on the board, so count 'The Peggster' as a cute term of endearment. I think it's rather fitting, don't you? Glad to hear this is a one-off and not a column, as you already have a column for Ripper Notes, and I'd be hard-pressed to see the point in an ongoing column on 'Diary World', though I have no problem at all seeing the relevance of a thorough article on the subject for the tenth anniversary of a magazine that sprung up in the middle of 'Diary mania' ten years ago. So, congratulations on your first full-fledged published Ripper article (it is, isn't it?), and I very much look forward to reading it.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1241
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 1:56 pm: | |
Hi Tom,
well to be honest no I don't find find it fitting but i guess i will let you off this once!
I likewise look forward to reading yuor article especially as Chris TG says it's not to be missed
Jennifer |
Eduardo Zinna
Detective Sergeant
Username: Eduardo
Post Number: 60
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:18 am: | |
Hello Jennifer and Tom,
I've had the privilege of reading both your articles prior to publication and I'd like to emphasise that they are definitely not to be missed. Nor is the rest of Ripperologist.
All the best,
Eduardo |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1401
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:19 am: | |
Ouch ! Bet that stung Tom old Chap !
Eduardo,
You lucky beast.
Im looking forward to these articles also. Especially as I had the pleasure of having coffee (or rather I had milkshake and Jenn had tea) with one of the authors concerned last Friday. Despite my cajoling she didnt release any details. So I have to wait like most and unlike you !
Monty
Memo to self : Must try lacing with vodka instead of milk !
Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice
Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice- Jack the Ripper
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1242
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 4:04 pm: | |
Monty,
seriously should I be worried?
Jenni |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1403
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 4:29 am: | |
Jenn,
Oh no-no-no-no
Whooo ha-ha-ha-haaaaaa !
Monty
Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice
Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice- Jack the Ripper
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1243
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 4:33 am: | |
Monty,
oh good because really there is no need for cajoling of any kind.
Jenni
ps for future reference you have to be at least near to the milk before it is put in the tea in order to lace it with vodka!!
I'll have to watch out for you I can see!!! |
Adam Wood
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 3:33 am: | |
Hi Tom
My mistake; the contribution by Jennifer is not the start of a new regular column but an article examining the current position in 'Diary world' to mark Ripperologist's tenth anniversary.
Ripperologist's own Adam Wood
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1244
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 4:29 pm: | |
Have just got the November issue and it looks just brilliant!Looking forward to the article on the use of "thimbles" by Nina Thomas as well as all the others.However so far the only article I have read is the first by Robin O.I enjoyed reading this very much but wanted to take issue a little with Robin"s use of emphasis about who or what was responsible for the social reforms that began to reshape the East End around the turn of the century.
In my own mind there is little doubt that such reforms were largely the result of the self-activity of the working classes throughout England
Scotland and Wales in particular during the mid 80"s and especially in 1888[the Match Girls strike in Bow] and 1889[the great East end Dock Strike].These events were cataclysmic in their impact throughout the country and were the moment of the breaking through of the latent volcanic forces [especially this May Match girls strike]leading to all sorts of shake-ups including the parliamentary one of the estabishment for the very first time of an independent mass political party of the workers,The Labour Party.
I say this only because without the acknowledgement of the role the East End played in 1888 the backdrop to the ripper murders cannot be seen as it really was.The East End was alight.
There were radical working men"s clubs sprouting up all over the East end[like the Berner street Club for example]and the authorities were massively worried and deploying the police force all over in a vain attempt to deflect uprisings.The press often conducted fierce news paper campaigns against the growing tide of trade unionism-but the waves had begun to crash...the East End had begun to turn things round.
Social reformers played but a minor role once the mass of workers scented victory with the 1888
Match girls Strike followed swiftly by two other victories with the gas workers and Dockers strikes in 1889.
But ofcourse when all the factors are taken together,including the murderous hand of the ripper it is true as Robin says that the redevelopment of the East End began.And thanks for a most enjoyable read Robin.
Best Wishes Natalie |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 7:53 pm: | |
Hi Natalie
On behalf of the staff of Ripperologist, let me express our appreciation of your comments on our latest issue. I suggest that you might like to read Paul Begg's Jack the Ripper: The Definitive History for a discussion of why the East End had by 1888 become the powder keg that the Ripper very nearly ignited.
All the best
Chris George
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1248
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 5:15 pm: | |
Hi Chris
Yes I have Paul"s "Definitive History" as well as his more recent "JtR The Facts".
But my position on the question of "emphasis" stays the same.Paul too considers 1888 a dull year politically whereas I would say it was highly significant.
As you well know the American Civil war was in 1861,followed in 1864 by the formation of the First International.Under the leadership of Marx and Engels this was the directing force for ten years of all the advanced sections of the working class throughout Europe.In England for mixed reasons the International perished and left little by way of organised labour.In France and Germany Socialist societies had been formed and were thriving.Added to this the conclusion of the Franco Prussian War stimulated industrial development in both France and Germany and the USA at just about the same time recovered from the effects of the Civil War.For these reasons the attack on the British manufacturing monopoly developed at a great pace.British industry still continued to progress but at a slower rate.The effects of the crisis were especially felt in London.The migration of the shipbuilding industry to the Clyde about 1866 had caused widespread destitution,while the gradual decline of small scale industry was ruinous to a region where it had in fact until then survived a lot better than elsewhere.The East End contained hundreds of thousands of dockers,unskilled and casual workers anmong whom unemployment spread to an alarming extent,while wages stayed meagre when they actually got some work.Consequently it was in London and not the Industrial North where it had been earlier that the new movement had its centre and main support.As is often the way[if not always the way] bitter internal squabbles dogged the formation of the various Trade union,Fabian and Socialist and Anarchist groupings.Meanwhile Engels working in the background wrote a series of leading articles in the Labour Standard,the newly founded journal of the London Trades Council and was a founder of the British Labour Movement still roughly in its present form[although Blair"s "Third Way" is something of a departure from it it has to be admitted].
All these isolated little "socialist parties" were still just sects and would have amounted to nothing had it not been for the awakening of the mass movement in 1887.In November 1887 a demonstration ended violently under the orders of Sir Charles Warren the new metropolitan police commissioner ,believing that the activities of the socialists and the unemployed were very dangerous and having instituted a ban on all meetings in Trafalgar Square ordered the demonstration to be dealt with so brutally it was thereafter known as "Bloody Sunday".[Paul agrees with me at this juncture-page 8 JtR The Facts].
What then followed was a concentration of all socialist and radical forces in a great "Free Speech" campaign with numerous clashes with the ppolice etc.
In Yorkshire things were also moving fast[The Bradford Labour Union being formed and in Scotland Keir Hardie was beginning to work in what became the Scottish Labour Party.But the "annus mirabilis" or "horribilis" for Warren]
was the East End of London,the home of thousands of workers who had never been organised and were regarded as unorganisable.
As mentioned in my previous post first there was the successful Bryant and May Match Girls Strike in Bow followed by the Gas workers strike the following year 1889, followed by the great Dockers strike also 1889.
When Engels wrote in 1892 his new "revised" Condition of the Working Class in England " he picked out this mass movement as the most important sign of the times:"That immense hauht of human misery[THE EAST END]is no longer the stagnant pool it was six years ago.It has shaken off its torpid despair,it has returned to life,and it has become the home of what is called the "New Unionism" that is to say of the organisation of the great mass of "unskilled workers".[meaning amongst other things that they were not hide bound in the way the old craftguilds and unions had been previously.They were in other words ready to lead the working class movement towards more radical solutions to their predicaments viz the establishment of the eight hour day in 1890 by the TUC.
I better stop there as the movement started to zigzag quite a bit up until the outbreak of the first world war when it stopped for four or five years.
In the meantime the Independent Labour Party had been formed under the leadership of Keir Hardie in 1893.
I hope Chris that this explains my position on the historical importance of the East End with regard to labour history-particularly with regards to the 1888 and 1889 strikes.I see this period 91888/89] as having great political significance and importance.And I haven"t even touched on the famous tradition of the East End Jewish Radicals-who ofcourse were part and parcel of it.
Best Natalie
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Alan Sharp
Chief Inspector
Username: Ash
Post Number: 676
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 6:07 pm: | |
Natalie
Of course from my point of view, (and as will be covered at great length in the book, which incidentally the new Ripperologist again says there are not many details about even though I have sent them loads!, but I digress) 1888/89 was a highly significant year politically, as it came at the height of the second Irish land war and saw the events leading up to, and the opening of, the Parnell Commission. Admittedly the main thrust for the Commission, the "Behind the Scenes in America" articles in the Times had been published the previous year, and the most dramatic events of the Commission itself, the cross-examination and subsequent suicide of Richard Pigott, the testimony of Henri Le Caron, were to come during the following year. Nonetheless, 1888 was something of an explosive year in Anglo-Irish politics.
"Everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise." |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1251
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 6:14 pm: | |
Ofcourse Alan,I had failed to mention this which is absolutely crucial in terms of understanding the explosive nature of those times and what they led up to.I know too from a brief conversation I had With Donald Rumbelow a year or so ago that he has played around with the idea that the ripper events might have a connection to it[to do in part with the knife he owns which has both the Phoenix Park Murders and JtR associated with its history.
Looking forward very much to your book.
Natalie |
Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 140
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 6:34 pm: | |
Just got mine today,C.G.....Keeping the level of Ripperologist,as well as Ripper Notes, at such increasingly high levels,is not going to be easy !!
Of particular interest to me were the articles by my pals,Tom Wescott and Stan Russo.
Tom's article has some very interesting material gleaned from Popular Romances of The West of England that could possibly explain the origin of the moniker, Jack The Ripper, along with some characteristics of "Ripper" letters that may be found in writings of Roslyn D'onston Stephenson,our mutual favorite suspect.
Tom,I predict,will become an increasingly influential Ripperologist,being only 30ish,and definitely an aggressive researching talent. Great work from beginning to end...
Stan's piece deals with the occasional desire some have to eliminate suspects for personal reasons,due in part to previous authors/researchers efforts to connect the suspect to the crimes of 1888...Stan deserves credit for his objective approach and in expressing his desire that we continue to keep an open mind to all suspects. With articles like this one,that won't be hard to do.
Listen....its one month from Christmas..You worked hard all year...Why not treat yourself to a years sub to Ripperologist ? Isn't about time you got in on what everyone else raves about?
Great articles by Mrs. Thomas...Mr.Zinna...Mr.Odell..Ms.Pegg..and Mr. Savage....oh yeah,and the usual work by Chris Scott....Even though a Kosminski-ite [ some guy named Begg ] is at the helm,its a great magazine and this issue is a real treat !
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Alan Sharp
Chief Inspector
Username: Ash
Post Number: 677
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 6:45 pm: | |
Natalie
I've been playing around with exactly the same idea. In fact I'm seriously considering a second book dealing with exactly that subject (so I'm afraid you're just going to have to wait around for my thoughts!  )
"Everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise." |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1252
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 6:55 pm: | |
Well Alan I"m sure if you wrote to Donald Rumbelow he would be able to elucidate.Sounds fascinating!...and worth the wait!
Howard-yes I"m looking forward to reading all of this splendid edition!
Natalie
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Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 261
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 11:06 pm: | |
Howard,
You received yours today? No fair! We both live in the States, so I wonder why you get yours first? Hmmmm...Oh well, I guess that means mine will be arriving tomorrow, and I'm very much looking forward to it. I intend to add to your mini-review above, and thank you for the kind words on my essay. I hope those interested in the Ripper letters and/or D'Onston will find it of interest.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1532
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 5:33 pm: | |
Hey
Great issue folks!
Great pic of Brick Lane on the back! Annie would be proud to see Trumans brewery there eh? I always think that!!the Dan Leno article is an inspiration.xx
Suzi
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Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 141
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 10:22 pm: | |
Tom...No fair? Thats why you have all the looks and all the brains !
Oy,you nudge....and you complain ?
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Mark Andrew Pardoe
Inspector
Username: Picapica
Post Number: 274
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 4:07 pm: | |
Whatho Suzik,
Annie might be proud to see Truman's but she wouldn't be to drink the rubbish which came out of it!
Remember:
There's more hops in a dead frog than Truman's
Cheers, Mark (Courage was always the better brewer) |
karthik venkatramani
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 5:48 pm: | |
hi
i am very much interested in this ripper mystery.according to me it wasn't mary kelly at all who got killed. two people say that they saw may jane kelly at around 8.a.m and at 10. a.m. so the victim must have been someother woman.but when may saw the mutilated body, she cried out 'murder'. then she locked the door behind her in the morning and left east end and also london forever. but then question arises taht who was the lady that got killed by the ripper? |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 3168
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 11:30 pm: | |
The Cover art, table of contents, and a sample article from issue #56 (November 2004) of Ripperologist magazine are now up at:
http://casebook.org/ripper_media/book_reviews/periodicals/ripperologist.2004-11.html
An excellent issue, by the way - chock full of Ripper-related articles. If you don't subscribe yet, get your payment in now and DEMAND a copy of this issue - its a keeper!
Kudos also to Tom Wescott and Nina Thomas for two particularly exceptional articles in this issue, along with Robin Odell's look at the Ripper's societal effects. Brilliant issue all around.
Stephen P. Ryder, Exec. Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 262
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 9:23 pm: | |
REVIEW, KIND OF:
10 years of Ripperologist. It’s as old as the internet. That’s right, the web is only a decade old. Hard to believe, ey? This latest issue, #56, marks this grand achievement by actually running some articles that pertain to Jack the Ripper. Following will be an honest, balanced review – something you don’t see much of in Ripperology.
Let’s start with the cover – typical Adam Wood brilliance. Except for the logo, which I really don’t care for because anyone OTHER than a Ripperologist would have no clue what it says without careful inspection. Moving forward…
CONTENTS LIST: 2 points for spelling my name right this time. However, they describe Stan Russo’s article as ‘lament[ing] the constant introduction of new suspects’. This was clearly written by someone who hadn’t read his article. This person was obviously not Christopher-Michael (with two first names, I wonder if he has a middle name?) DiGrazia. More on that later.
CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS ISSUE: They describe CMD as the co-author of ‘The Annotated Jack the Ripper’. Get with it, guys. This was their working title. The book came out two years or so ago and is called ‘The News From Whitechapel’. Since CMD writes a column for the mag, you’d think mistakes like this wouldn’t happen.
EDITORIAL: A photo of Paul Begg appears (this one’s for the ladies) followed by an unsigned editorial. It’s obvious Paul didn’t write the editorial because it’s not 12 pages long. It’s written by Adam Wood (who’s not an editor, he’s the production guy) who basically just tells us what’s in this issue, which we already knew from the Contents page. Why the Executive Editor couldn’t find the time to write an editorial for the landmark 10th anniversary issue must remain a mystery. Perhaps it was to make room for my article. If that’s the case, then kudos to all!
JACK THE REDEEMER by Robin Odell: When I heard that Odell would be writing a piece for this issue I was pretty excited, because not much is heard from this guy. For those who don’t know, he’s an old-timer in Ripperology. His book, in 1965, was read by today’s top guys – Evans, Begg, Fido, de Locksley – when they were just little nards. It was also read by Wilf Gregg, but he was 80 at the time. So, hearing what a man like Odell thinks of all the research that’s happened since his 1988 book ‘Summing Up and Verdict’ with Colin Wilson (an entertaining and error-filled read) would be very enjoyable. Unfortunately, the article contributed here is absolutely pointless. You know how every Ripper book has a chapter where they talk about how poor and destitute the East End was, then bring out the ‘Bitter Cry of Outcast London’ quotes and the REVELATION that Jack lended to the social changes of the times? Well, that’s what this article is. Unfortunately, it’s in a SPECIALIST magazine read only by those already quite familiar with the statistics. A big disappointment. He was only given the cover because of his name. Fortunately, the rest of the articles were much better, with one or two exceptions.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE DEVIL: D’ONSTON AND THE RIPPER LETTERS by Tom Wescott: Alone worth the price of a subscription. The only article in the issue not accompanied by a photo of the author. I wonder why?
PERKINS AND BELLORD ESTATE AGENTS? LINKING CLEVELAND STREET TO WHITECHAPEL by John Savage: Shouldn’t there be a comma or something after ‘Bellord’? Anyway, the author has a cool name, doesn’t he? He should write an article with Wolf Vanderlinden: even if the article sucked, the by-line would kick azz! This is the kind of research I applaud; Savage took two obscure characters from the Ripper Saga, named by Joseph Gorman (a.k.a. Sickert) as the peeps who sent Mary Kelly to Cleveland Street, and fleshes them out for us, even providing photographs. The fact that I couldn’t give a sh*t about either of these guys isn’t the point. I’d like to see more researchers following Savage’s lead, only with contemporary characters NOT named by Gorman – i.e. people who might actually have something to do with the Ripper case. I’d love to see Savage return with more items like this in the future.
THE THIMBLE QUESTION AND THE JACK THE RIPPER MURDERS by Nina Thomas: A rather clumsy title, but, to me, the pleasant surprise of the issue. Before we get to that, let me say that Nina’s pic bears a slight resemblance to Marilyn Chambers (if you don’t know who she is, then you probably wouldn’t want to know) and it’s hard to believe she’s a granny! Anyway, I saw Nina post some of this stuff about hookers and thimbles on the boards and found it very interesting, so it’s nice to see it fleshed out, though I don’t see as likely some of the scenarios she suggests. The article then segue ways into talk of chloral hydrate and alcohol, which make ‘Mickey Finns’, the original date-rape drug. I’ve looked into this myself, as it’s a very plausible explanation for how the Ripper was able to silently subdue some of the victims, such as Stride, who cannot be explained away by strangulation. Nina doesn’t mention in her article that D’Onston was known to carry chloral hydrate around at the time of the murders, so I’ll mention it here. She came up with some things I had not, and for that I’m grateful to her for writing this article. Good first effort!
THE DIARY DEBATE: WHY ‘DIARY WORLD’ IS STILL SPINNING by Jennifer Pegg: 20 year-old Jennifer Pegg, who’s “not afraid to write articles”, makes her writing debut (her second, I suppose, if you’re among the 10 people who read Ripperoo) here. Though, strangely, her prose reads like that of a 50 year-old male ex-journalist. I do believe the Peggster has been Beggified! Anyway, the article is pro-Diary and, even to someone such as myself who does not follow the purposeless debate on the boards, tells us nothing we didn’t already know. What this article does NOT do is what it promises, and that is to recap what has happened with the Diary in the last ten years. So, I’ll recap it for you – it’s ruined lives, depleted bank accounts, destroyed friendships, thoroughly annoyed Casebookers, has made no one rich, and STILL is no more likely to have been written by James Maybrick than it was 10 years ago. I hope that helps. I also hope that, pending some breakthrough discovery, this is the last we read of the Diary in the magazines we subscribe to. Caz and co., on the other hand, are more than welcome to start ‘Diary World Magazine’, to which my dumb self would probably subscribe. As for Peggy-poo’s picture, she looks as sweet and adorable as I had imagined. And that reminds me, I haven’t sent her my answers to the questions for her next ‘Inquest’ in Ripper Notes magazine (www.rippernotes.com). Oops.
THE ARROGANCE OF IGNORANCE by Stan Russo:
THE FUNNIEST MAN ON EARTH: DAN LENO by Eduardo Zinna: Zinna is an exceptionally talented writer/researcher with, apparently, absolutely nothing at all to say on the Ripper crimes and, believe me, that’s our loss. Judging from his photo, though, he looks like someone who could kick my azz, so I’ll tread carefully here. Actually, some of his pieces are a bit long in the tooth, though always well-researched and informative. While this essay meets up to Zinna’s always-high standards, it’s also refreshingly well-paced and doesn’t overstay its welcome. You won’t learn jack about Jack from it, but it DOES educate on the history of music halls, leotards, and, of course, Mr. Leno.
RIPPEROLOGIST IS TEN by Eduardo Zinna: There’s that ‘I’m gonna get you sucka!’ photo again, so I’d better watch out! What should have been an overview of the history of the magazine from issue one to the present is just a look at the contents of the first 10-page stapled issue of ‘The Cloak and Dagger Club Newsletter’. Previous Rip editor, Paul Daniels, who took over (I believe) with issue 4, turned it into an actual full-sized magazine, and expanded it from 20 to 50 or 60 pages an issue before handing over the reigns to Paul Begg after issue 27, is not mentioned ANYWHERE in this issue. Whether or not you liked the issues he edited, it’s safe to say there may not have been a Rip for Begg to take over, thus no present issue, if not for the years Daniels spent editing the magazine. Yet he’s not mentioned. Totally uncool in my opinion.
NEWSPAPER TRAWL by Chris Scott: Chris is back with an all-too short trawl this time, though worthwhile as always. May Chris live a long and healthy life full of fruitful research that I can snag for my own work! We seriously need more like him. He should teach classes, though that photo might scare people away since he looks like someone just told him Hilary Clinton had been elected president. Then again, chicks dig the brooding look, so maybe that’s what he’s going for here.
I BEG TO REPORT: Various news items here. Interesting all them, though nothing big on the Ripper front. I am, however, growing tired of being reminded that I lost on my bid for D’Onston’s ‘Patristic Gospels’! Rip’s still reporting that Whittington-Egan’s ‘Quest for JtR’ is coming it, which at this point is like saying Hoffa might show up. I recently purchased the first 27 issues of Rip and - NO JOKE – as far back as 1998 Rip was stating the this VERY SAME BOOK was coming out! When/if it does, it will be an absolute must-have, as few writers write like Whittington-Egan. It also mentions that Begg’s ‘Definitive History’ and Evans/Skinner’s ‘Letters From Hell’ are now out in paperback.
ON THE CRIMEBEAT by Wilf Gregg: With the exception of a 4-sentence obligatory review of boss Begg’s ‘The Facts’, Gregg looks at a few books I’ll never read. You know what would be neat? Since Gregg has a huge crime book collection, have him review OLD books, since Rip already has a section for NEW book reviews. This would be useful, as opposed to redundant. This also might help cheer the old guy up, because in his photo here he looks like someone was putting candles in his birthday cake and ran out of cake!
REVIEWS: Begg gives Stan Russo’s ‘JtR Suspects’ a decent review (not surprising since he must have recognized much of his own research from A-Z in there) but suggests that, due to the hefty cover price, would-be readers should ask Santa for a copy. Chris Scott’s ‘Cast of Thousands’ is also heartily recommended to those with an interest in JtR research, as well it should be. A few other reviews follow of some Ripper internet course a chick is doing that doesn’t look like it’s worth much, the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, which now mentions Jack, and the Ripper episode of ‘Kolchak: The Night Stalker’, which was the forerunner of the ‘X-Files’.
THE LAST WORD by Christopher-Michael DiGrazia: DiGrazia must have just finished reading Russo’s piece for this issue, because he describes a pounding headache that sent him from his home in the middle of the night in search of drugs (the legal kind!). He then moves into a very thought-provoking rant on memory and how easily it can be corrupted. DiGrazia, in my uneducated opinion, is one of the more talented writers working in this field.
THE BACK COVER: A PIC OF THE BRICK LANE FESTIVAL OF SEPT 12TH, 2004: The blond chick in the lower left hand corner is kind of cute. The girl behind her and to her left isn’t so bad, either. She might have lice, though. Check out the guy behind her with the nose problem. Ha ha. The older lady to his right has a decent rack, but what’s up with that hair? It reminds me of the ‘hair gel’ scene from ‘Something About Mary’.
I must admit that I was disappointed that Chris George didn’t have an article in this issue, as he’d previously stated he would, and that it would pertain directly to the Ripper. Hopefully, that will appear in the next issue, surrounded by other Ripper-related articles. A little bird told me that big changes are coming our way in Rip in the year 2005, so if you’re not subscribing, do so now at www.ripperologist.info. This issue was a nice step in the right direction, I’m sure all will agree. Having said that, I do not like the new layout at all. It’s even more sterile than before! You start reading where you THINK the article starts, only to find out you’re 3 paragraphs into it. Let’s pep it up and give the title-headings some life. Let’s make it a little more Rip n’ Roll. What do you say, Adam and Paul? Overall, I’d say this was a pretty good issue, with some entertaining and useful stuff in it, and props should be given to Begg, George, Zinna, Wood, et al, for working hard in making strides to give subscribers the kind of magazine they want.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
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David O'Flaherty
Chief Inspector
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 573
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 11:50 pm: | |
Nina Thomas, nice to see you making what I think is your debut. This isn't relevant to your thimble theory, but there's a press report either in the Daily Telegraph or the Star which has John Kelly searching Kate's bonnet for money and pawntickets. It's the kind of a pedestrian detail that doesn't seem to be worth making up, so maybe you're correct that Catherine Eddowes was keeping the mustard tin in there somehow.
I like the new format, particularly the photographs of the writers but I keep expecting the articles to start underneath the photos so like Tom, I find myself a little confused. Eventually I figure it out.
My copy just arrived today so I haven't had time to read it through. I just want to let Tom know that I really enjoyed your article. I'm not sure I'm with you all the way, but I'll be reading it through a few more times. Good stuff. One question--do you know how many editions of Duffy there were? LfH has it out in 1871 and you've got 1881.
Also glad to see Eduardo Zinna (whose writing I admire) has two articles and pleased to see the knowledgable John Savage making an appearance too. I also miss Chris George in the issue.
Dave
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Holger Haase
Sergeant
Username: Holger
Post Number: 39
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 4:30 am: | |
Oh my, I MUST remember to renew my subscription. :-)
Holger |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1158
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:08 am: | |
Hi Tom et al.
Tom, many thanks for your review of what can be found in our latest issue, Ripperologist 56. I was going to upbraid you, thinking you wrote, "Following will be an honest, balanced review – something you don’t see much of in Ripperologist." About to protest that while we may be opinionated that I firmly believe we try to give a fair assessment of books, videos, etc., in order to guide our readers, on adjusting my bifocals (old geezer that I am), I now see you actually wrote: "Following will be an honest, balanced review – something you don’t see much of in Ripperology." What, say it isn't so, Joe! 
Let me tell you a bit of the background of this issue, why I don't have an article in it, and also explain why Eduardo ended up talking about the premier issue of Ripperologist ten years ago, when the mag was started by Mark Galloway. We were originally going to republish the issue in its entirety as a kind of centerfold (best we can do... we're not Playboy!). However, we found that including the reprinted issue and publishing, as first envisioned, the contributions by myself and Coral Kelly, pushed the page count up to 75 pages. Thus, we knew we had to cut the issue down in size, so my article and Coral's and the envisioned republication of Rip 1 ended up on the cutting room floor. I do agree that the fine work of Paul Begg's predecessor, Paul Daniel (1997-2000), should have been noted. In terms of the decision to leave out my article, since my contribution this time does touch on D'Onston as does your very valuable article, Tom, on HAVE YOU SEEN THE DEVIL: D’ONSTON AND THE RIPPER LETTERS, I felt that my piece could be held back until next time.
Tom, I am glad you were impressed with the contributions by John Savage and Nina Thomas, and even more so because I had the privilege of finaling both articles for publication. Good too that you noted the solid contributions by Chris Scott and Ripper suspectologist Stan Russo.
I thank you also for your kind words about Christopher-Michael (no middle name) DiGrazia. Although CMD has stepped down after being such a fine editor of Ripper Notes from 2001 to 2004, leaving the U.S.-based journal of Ripper studies in the more than capable hands of Dan Norder, we are pleased that he has continued to write for Ripperologist.
As you note, Eduardo's article on Dan Leno was not exactly Ripper-related but it is firmly in the vein that we wish to follow, informing and educating our readers on what else was happening in London and the East End in particular at the time of the murders.
Tom, I am glad you recognized Eduardo Zinna's Mephistophelean qualities from his picture (my portrait looks even worse and I am lobbying Adam Wood for a change in physog). By the way, Tom, Eddy will be round at your door shortly to get that pint of blood and the portrait of yourself as Dorian Grey that you promised us.
While the contributions of Robin Odell and Wilf Gregg may not have been exactly what you had expected, both men are, as you note, very ancient and esteemed, as is Richard Whittington-Egan, whose book has as you well say, Tom, has been promised forever, but will be out in time for the Ripper bicentennial in 2088. These three gentlemen, whom we refer to privately as the three Juwes, Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelem, are the only writers connected to Ripperologist who were alive in 1888, and who got a clear view of the murderer. So stay tuned, the key to the case may still come from them. I said, "key," Tom, know what I mean, wink wink. 
All my best
Chris George
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Jack the Assessor
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 2:22 pm: | |
Which is the best Ripper magazine???
Ripper Notes - excellent 9 out of 10
Ripperologist - must try harder 6 out of 10
Ripperana - is this a magazine???!!! 3 out of 10 |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1365
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 3:18 pm: | |
Tom,
It's clear you don't hang around diary world much! And did I mention at all that i am not a pro of any description?
Jenni
(Message edited by jdpegg on December 03, 2004)
(Message edited by jdpegg on December 03, 2004) |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 1556
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 5:14 pm: | |
Tom
I always enjoy your reviews so much that I immediately have to go to Palm Cove, Cairns, for a month and wake myself up.
That's a positive comment.
I'm leaving now.
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Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 263
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 5:24 pm: | |
Chris,
Thank you for that lengthy response. It's a shame that you caught your error in thinking I wrote 'Ripperologist' instead of 'Ripperology', because I'm sure we'd all love to see what a stern 'upbraiding' from Chris George looks like! However, you did make one error. I don't believe I noted any 'solid contribution' from Stan Russo, unless you were pleased with the pounding headache CMD allegedly received from having read his article? I take it both your piece and Coral's will be in the next issue? If so, then we all have something to look forward to!
Jack the ASSessor,
I concur with your ratings for the first two, but I'm curious as to why you're being so generous with Ripperana?
Peggster,
You're correct I don't hang around Diary World much. I'm sane. What's your point? And what does your not being a pro have to do with anything?
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 265
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 1:11 am: | |
David,
I'm not sure how many editions of Robert Hunt's book there are, but I intentionally chose the edition appearing closest to (but not after) 1888 that I could locate, and that was it. Thank you for the compliment, and as for whether or not you're 'with it', it was an explorative article. I would certainly not stake my reputation on the claim that D'Onston wrote Ripper letters, though I feel the case against him is at least as strong, if not stronger, than the case against Bulling.
AP,
Thanks for the compliment, though I have no clue what you mean! Ha ha.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1368
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 5:14 am: | |
Westcott,
never mind. never mind!!!!
Jenni
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Eduardo Zinna
Detective Sergeant
Username: Eduardo
Post Number: 65
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 10:02 am: | |
Hello everyone,
I'd like to thank all those who have had kind words to say about the current issue of Ripperologist and, in particular, Howard, Suzi, David and Tom, who had good things to say about my own contributions. Yes, Tom, you too. Don't be misled by my malevolent glare; I'm actually a mild-mannered, soft spoken individual who can't remember the last time he kicked a football, let alone any part of anyone. I wouldn't go as far as to say that I wouldn't hurt a fly, but that is another story.
Besides, not only do I believe that the right to express one's opinion should not be curbed, but I actually enjoy your reviews. It seems that we disagree about what is relevant to our subject, though, and, more particularly, about what is worth knowing about the world of the Ripper.
I'm not trying to convince you, but I'd like to make a few points about Dan Leno and the Music-hall and why I think that they are subjects of interest to readers of Ripperologist.
First, Leno appeared at the Cambridge in Commercial Street on 8 November 1888. In other words, he was performing only a few hundred yards from Mary Kelly's room on the last night of her life. Either she or the Ripper - or both - might have been among Leno's audience that evening. It is perfectly possible to imagine the Ripper going to the Cambridge to enjoy a bit of food and drink and watch the turns, spend some time at a pub afterwards and, finally, well into the night, happen upon Mary Kelly in Commercial Street. He had to be somewhere, and I doubt he was in church.
Secondly, music-hall was the most important form of popular entertainment at the time of the Whitechapel murders, standing singlehandedly for our television, radio, cinema, theatre, home stereo and home theatre. Even if the Ripper was not at the Cambridge for Leno's performance, he was certainly familiar with the major music-hall stars and his turns, if only for the simple reason that everybody at the time was.
Thirdly, in the same way as we derive many of our expressions, catch-phrases, jokes and jargon from television sitcoms, advertising, films, politicians' statements and the like, the Victorians derived theirs in large measure from music-hall songs. Whoever wrote the Ripper letters had heard those songs and may, at least in some of the letters, have patterned his phrasing after some songs. A case in point is the "stage Irishman" imitation in the "Mishter Lusk" letter. When you did your research on the origins of certain expressions or turns of phrase that found their way into the Ripper letters, wouldn't you have benefited from a look at the lyrics of those songs as well?
All in all, music-hall has a claim, in my opinion, to be borne in mind in the context of Ripperology studies. One wouldn't look at a modern-day serial killer without taking into account the influence of television, cars (at least in America) and similar factors. In my view, one cannot fully understand the Whitechapel murders if one knows nothing about how the Victorians lived, loved, laughed and died.
By the way, Tom, I was under the impression that you were on the youngish side. How come you remember Marilyn Chambers? Were you of drinking age during her moment of glory in the early 70s, when it became briefly fashionable for New Yorkers - among whom I counted myself at the time - to go with their partners to the arty cinemas in the Village to watch the exploits of Marilyn, Linda or Georgina? Are you going to tell me that you remember her from the soap ad and the Cronenberg pic? You may plead the Fifth, if you wish.
All the best,
Eduardo |
Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 266
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 10:20 am: | |
Eduardo,
Thanks for the lengthy reply. It's all too rare you make your appearance on the boards. I do enjoy your articles, as I hope I made clear, but am curious as to your views on the Ripper case. It takes a bit of stretching to work music halls into the Ripper crimes (unless you're a Sickertist), as mention is nary made of them. I'm just curious as to whether or not you do any research that is directly applicable to the Ripper investigation and, if so, can we expect to see some write-ups in the near future?
As for your pic, I'm sure you know I was having fun. My reviews are both tongue-in-cheek humor and honest opinion.
I'm not so sure I'm 'youngish' any more, as I turned 31 last month (By Jennifer Pegg's standards, that would make me an 'older man', whereas to Wilf Gregg I'm an embryo). Nevertheless, Marilyn Chambers' hey-day was well before my time. I graduated high school in 1992 (wanna know a scary thought? Kids born in 1986 are graduating this year!). I do know her Cronenberg pic, 'Rabid', though I'm not a big fan of it. A few of her OTHER films, though, were quite nice! Ha ha. I suppose if I'm familiar with the entire London police force of the late 1880's it's not THAT big a stretch that I'd be familiar with a porn star from the 70's, is it?
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Eduardo Zinna
Detective Sergeant
Username: Eduardo
Post Number: 66
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 12:07 pm: | |
Hi Tom,
I knew you were having fun. It is true I enjoy your reviews, as I think I said once when I asked in these Boards why were you not doing them any more. And I was also sincere when I thanked you, since you always mix in a few kind words together with the other sort (Now, this is tongue in cheek too!)
I do not have a favourite suspect, though I have a few least favourite ones. I'm neither a Sickertite nor a Donstonian, a Maybrickite or a Gullist. I would vote for Kosminski if I could figure out all the "inskis" and know which one I'm talking about. One day, I hope, a suspect will come along who will inspire me enough to embrace his cause, as it were. In the meantime, try to listen to some old music-hall songs and imagine the Ripper blaring away with "The Man Who Broke the Bank at Montecarlo". It will change your ideas.
I never saw Marilyn Chambers's big hit, "Beyond the Green Door", I think it was called, or Linda Lovelace's, whose title everybody knows for totally different reasons. I did go with my then wife to see "The Devil in Miss Jones" in a Village cinema in a cycle of porno as social comment, or some such nonsense. It was the 70s, you see. A wag in the management had put up a sign that said something like "The actors in this movie are professionals. Do not try to perform these acts at home". The star was Georgina Spelvin, who must be the only person ever to achieve comparative respectability by appearing in a "Police Academy" film.
All the best,
Eduardo |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1167
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 3:04 pm: | |
Hi Tom
I would submit to you that popular songs and music hall entertainment are possibly at least as important to the world of the Ripper as books on Cornish folktales, which you so well investigated in your article in Ripperologist No. 56. In a world before the record player, television, radio, VCRs, DVDs, satellite radio, etc., the common forms of entertainment were the music hall and songs sung around the piano often following those sung by the music hall stars. Thus, I think Eduardo makes a valid point that you might broaden your search for influences on the Ripper correspondence and D'Onston to the music hall. I am one of those who has characterized the language in the Lusk letter as typical "stage Irish" and such depictions of the Irish peasantry and working class could be seen onstage at the time, as well as read in novels and print media, e.g., in the satirical magazine Punch, with which D'Onston and other gentlemen of 1888 would have been very familiar.
All the best
Chris
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Howard Brown
Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 155
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 3:50 pm: | |
Eduardo...You're bringing tears to my eyes over here,bringing up the dream girls from yesteryear....
If you try hard enough,I think you might remember me at that cinema...the guy with the rain coat and sunglasses and perpetual smile...ring a bell?
Seriously,a lot of people,regardless of what this Wescott says,like the peripheral-to-the-case articles because not only are they informative and historically significant,but we do get the opportunity to see what society in London was like from a variety of angles.
One angle which I haven't seen discussed in a magazine,although Tim Mosley has mentioned it before over at the Forums and one that I would never want to have to deal with is the "bathroom" situation those people had to deal with. Thats a horror show. It may be the only aspect of living in 1888 I couldn't deal with,if there was only one I couldn't deal with. |
Eduardo Zinna
Detective Sergeant
Username: Eduardo
Post Number: 67
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 8:19 am: | |
Hello Howard,
I'm afraid I might be singled out again for non-Ripper-related perorations, but I was a young man in New York when the Big Apple was tough and sleazy and an area adjoining Times Square was known as the Minnesota Strip, for reasons best left unexplained in these Boards. Perhaps we should repair to the Pub section to discuss reminiscences of those years. Mind you, my contribution would regrettably be limited, as I was very much married at the time.
As for bathroom conditions in Victorian times, I have largely lived a sheltered life in that respect, but I have spent some periods of time in places that were definitely out of the trodden path. Once a journalist friend and I compared notes on the subject. His worst ever experience was a place in Africa where bats tried to nest in his hair while he was at it. Me, I countered with some al fresco activities in the Amazon and New Jersey and some memorable facilities in China, India and the Central African Republic. Perhaps we should also repair to the Pub area to discuss this one.
All the best,
Eduardo |
David O'Flaherty
Chief Inspector
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 581
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 4:47 pm: | |
Would you believe. . .that there are two free audio files of Leno on the Internet? It says one was made just before his mental breakdown. The quality is very good.
Cheers,
Dave
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Eduardo Zinna
Detective Sergeant
Username: Eduardo
Post Number: 68
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 8:18 am: | |
Hi Dave,
Actually there are quite a few recordings of Leno and other Music-hall greats available. Next time I check the Boards I'll give you a website that has CDs of many of them for sale.
Cheers,
Eduardo |
Eduardo Zinna
Detective Sergeant
Username: Eduardo
Post Number: 69
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 6:00 am: | |
Hi Dave,
Windyridge has a full catalogue of Music-hall recordings. Their website is at musichallcds.com.
Cheers,
Eduardo |
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