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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2763
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 6:25 pm: | 
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A short chapter-length biographical sketch of Sir Charles Warren was included in the 1902 book Sir Charles Warren and Spion Kop: A Vindication by 'Defender'. It covers Warren's life up to about November 1899. The full text of this biographical sketch can now be found at:
http://casebook.org/ripper_media/rps.spion.html
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Phil Hill
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 11:05 am: |
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I often think that Warren has been unfairly ridiculed as a result of his involvement in the Ripper case.
He seems to me to have been a typical workhorse of the Victorian establishment. He may have been humourless, but whatever he was told to do he did to his utmost, whether investigating the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in a thorough way that still commands respect; leading the Met; or commanding troops in South Africa.
I am no admirer of Warren's, but I think a case could be made out for him being as good a Commissioner as might have been wished in 1888 - he was prepared to consider the use of imaginative methods (the bloodhounds) and gave strong leadership.
I somewhat blame the "insiders" Anderson, Munro etc for Warren's isolation and for having neutered him for their own ends and ambitions. Some wanted munro instead of Warren, as I recall, and took their chagrin out of Warren. But when Munro did achieve the desired position, he did not last long either.
But I doubt whether Warren would have cared much, he seems to have had a thick skin.
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David O'Flaherty
Chief Inspector
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 571
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 12:24 pm: |
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Hi Phil
I don't think Warren should be ridiculed either. His problem seems to have been that he was too strong a leader, but what do you expect from a military man? Like you say, he seems to have been open to new methods, although those country hounds would never have worked in a place like London. I'm not sure he's as thick-skinned as you think; I wonder if the reason he erased the Goulston Street Graffiti might have been in part a reaction to some of the scathing criticism he'd received in the press (like The Star). I've no doubt that he really thought some sort of riot might break out. Perhaps he was trying to avoid another Trafalgar Square-like situation.
You might be interested in an article Stephen has put up for the Press Project, Daily News 15 Nov 1888. It's coverage of the House of Commons debate on supplying the Met where the MPs and Matthews do a little survey of Warren's tenure.
As far as practicality goes, I think they would have been better off bringing someone up from the ranks rather than appointing outsiders (to London police work) like Warren and Anderson. But they didn't ask me 
Cheers,
Dave
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marvin olnaski
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 9:16 am: |
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nut warren was in the cabball od ritual murders known as "whitechapel murders" |
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