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Thomas Burns
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 4:01 am: |       |
I have heard, as stated in fact, that Abberline saw the graffito first hand and wrote it down exactly. I have never heard this before and as far as I know there is no definite wording of the graffito? Can any shed any light on this? |
Glenn L Andersson
Inspector
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 160
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 7:06 pm: | |
Hi Thomas,
Actually, I must declare, that I've never seen any information saying that Abberline saw and wrote down the graffito. I could be wrong of course, but it would help if you could recall where you've come across this.
There are appearantly two versions of the graffito (with only a minor change). One was noted down by PC Alfred Long and the other one by DC Halse. These are the only reproductions of the graffito that I know of.
For further information and for reproductions of them, se the link "Ripper Letters" on the left meny on this web-site. The graffito versions, and some general information, are shown if you scroll down the page a bit.
All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden |
Thomas Burns
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
As far as I know only four people saw it first hand, namely Alfred Long, Halse, Charles Warren and Arnold. I have never heard of Abberline seeing the graffito as well but someone said it is stated in 'Jack the Ripper: The Complete Casebook' by Donald Rumbelow? |
Glenn L Andersson
Inspector
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 164
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:19 pm: | |
Hi Thomas,
I've checked Rumbelow's The Complete Jack the Ripper (Penguin paperback edition 1988), and I can't with the greatest will in the world find any passage saying that Abberline saw or wrote down the graffito. That must have come from a misunderstanding. You are absolutely correct, as far as I know, in your statement regarding those who saw it and wrote it down. Halse's and Long's are the only reproduced notes we know of.
All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden |
Thomas Burns
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:01 am: | |
Yes that is what I thought but now I am really confused, as I now have not a clue where this person got this information from and I am very curious to find out because they state it as fact. Can anyone please tell me where it states that Abberline saw the graffito (if it states this anywhere)? |
Neil K. MacMillan
Sergeant
Username: Wordsmith
Post Number: 27
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 1:22 pm: | |
Query: Was Inspector Abberline even involved with the case at that point in time? Neil |
Alan Sharp
Inspector
Username: Ash
Post Number: 174
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 6:03 pm: | |
Neil, Abberline was asked to co-ordinate the investigations of the Nichols and Tabram killings on Friday 31st August. He was present at the Nichols inquest the following day. |
Neil K. MacMillan
Sergeant
Username: Wordsmith
Post Number: 32
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 4:24 pm: | |
Alan;
Thanks. I was suffering cranial flatulence on that point, Neil |
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