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Diana
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diana
Post Number: 97
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 8:32 am: |       |
Cutbush's Rating Mr. Wolf is more knowledgeable about this one than me. He may want to suggest amendments.
1physically strong (0-10 points) 10 -- we are told he overpowered several men in escaping a mental institution.
2. schizoid (disorganized, motive was personal) or sociopath (organized, motive was lust)or mixed or religious-obsessive or autistic. (.175-9.825 points) 9.825
3. Neurologically adept with spatial relationships (.328-9.672points) 5
4. nocturnal at least on weekends and holidays (.481-9.519 points) 9.519
5. con man or popped out of gates and grabbed them, or chose the extremely desperate (.634-9.366 points) 5
6. present in Whitechapel on relevant dates (.787-9.213 points) 5
7. some experience in killing (slaughterhouse? military?) (.940-9.060 points) 5
8. risk taker (1.093-8.907 points) 7.5
9.knowledge of local geography (1.246-8.754 points) 8.754
10. control freak (1.399-8.601 points) 5
11. age in 20s or 30s. (1.552-8.448 points) 8.448
12. anatomical knowledge (1.705-8.295 points) 7
13. dysfunctional family -- alcoholism? abuse?absent father? (1.858-8.142 points)8.142
14. History of lesser crimes. (2.011-7.989 points) 7.989
15. was employed (2.164-7.836 points) 7.836
16. Robbed victims -- no victim found with money (2.317 -7.683 points) 5
17. precrime stressor (2.470-7.530 points) 5
18. sick, incarcerated, dead or moved away subsequent to the murders (2.623-7.377 points) 5
19. lower socioeconomic group (2.776-7.224 points)3.5
20. ethnic -- white, Anglo-Saxon or Irish (2.929-7.071 points) 7.071
21. physical abnormality? (3.082-6.918 points) 3.082
22. hated women (3.235-6.765 points) 5
23. hated reproductive function (3.388-6.612 points) 5
24. mutilated animals (3.541-6.459 points) 5
25. self injury (3.694-6.306 points) 5
26. Personally knew Eddowes and/or Kelly? (facial mutilations) (3.847-6.153 points) 5
27. Paid them with liquor to get them drunk? (4-6 points) 5
The highest possible score would be 215.725. The lowest would be 54.298 giving a range of 161.427. Anything in the neighborhood of 135 would reflect maximum uncertainty. Moving upward from 135 would give a greater indication of guilt and downward, innocence.
Cutbush gets a 168.666 giving an average of 6.246 |
Bob Hinton
Sergeant
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 46
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 8:39 am: | |
I think you'll find 'Mr Wolf' is in fact a charming lady! |
AP Wolf
Inspector
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 157
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 8:54 am: | |
Pon me word! Me secret is out.
Does that mean you would be quite happy to see me clad in mini-skirt at the Liverpool Conference? |
Diana
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diana
Post Number: 98
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 10:51 am: | |
Oops! Sorry. Would you change any of the points I gave your favorite suspect? |
Diana
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diana
Post Number: 100
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 11:13 am: | |
Cutbush's Rating -- Amended per Ms. Wolf's suggestions
1physically strong (0-10 points) 10 -- we are told he overpowered several men in escaping a mental institution.
2. schizoid (disorganized, motive was personal) or sociopath (organized, motive was lust)or mixed or religious-obsessive or autistic. (.175-9.825 points) 9.825
3. Neurologically adept with spatial relationships (.328-9.672points) 5
4. nocturnal at least on weekends and holidays (.481-9.519 points) 9.519
5. con man or popped out of gates and grabbed them, or chose the extremely desperate (.634-9.366 points) 5
6. present in Whitechapel on relevant dates (.787-9.213 points) 8
7. some experience in killing (slaughterhouse? military?) (.940-9.060 points) 5
8. risk taker (1.093-8.907 points) 7.5
9.knowledge of local geography (1.246-8.754 points) 8.754
10. control freak (1.399-8.601 points) 5
11. age in 20s or 30s. (1.552-8.448 points) 8.448
12. anatomical knowledge (1.705-8.295 points) 7
13. dysfunctional family -- alcoholism? abuse?absent father? (1.858-8.142 points)8.142
14. History of lesser crimes. (2.011-7.989 points) 7.989
15. was employed (2.164-7.836 points) 7.836
16. Robbed victims -- no victim found with money (2.317 -7.683 points) 5
17. precrime stressor (2.470-7.530 points) 5
18. sick, incarcerated, dead or moved away subsequent to the murders (2.623-7.377 points) 5
19. lower socioeconomic group (2.776-7.224 points)3.5
20. ethnic -- white, Anglo-Saxon or Irish (2.929-7.071 points) 7.071
21. physical abnormality? (3.082-6.918 points) 3.082
22. hated women (3.235-6.765 points) 6.2
23. hated reproductive function (3.388-6.612 points) 5
24. mutilated animals (3.541-6.459 points) 5
25. self injury (3.694-6.306 points) 5
26. Personally knew Eddowes and/or Kelly? (facial mutilations) (3.847-6.153 points) 5
27. Paid them with liquor to get them drunk? (4-6 points) 5
The highest possible score would be 215.725. The lowest would be 54.298 giving a range of 161.427. Anything in the neighborhood of 135 would reflect maximum uncertainty. Moving upward from 135 would give a greater indication of guilt and downward, innocence.
Cutbush gets a revised 172.866 giving an average of 6.4 |
Leanne Perry
Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 238
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 5:05 pm: | |
G'day Wolf,
ARE YOU A SHIELA???? We have more in common than I thought!!!
'Wolf' is not an appropriate nick-name for you then! What's a female Wolf called? No I'm not using 'Bitch'. I'll ask 'Jeeves'!
LEANNE |
AP Wolf
Inspector
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 160
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 5:26 pm: | |
Leanne
the only rendering I know of a female wolf is 'wolfin', perhaps you'll find another.
As I have said to you many times, all is not what it seems. |
Robert Charles Linford
Detective Sergeant
Username: Robert
Post Number: 55
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 6:02 pm: | |
Jigger me, I never knew you were a woman either, AP! Are there any more of you lot lurking out there? Do we have Christine Scott to thank for the census stuff?
Robert
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Leanne Perry
Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 239
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
G'day Wolf,
I'll just stick to 'Wolf', because I don't want to give away your little secret. Funny, I imagined you to have a hairy face!
Others may of course read all this, but let's wait until they do. Plus any 'unregistered guests' won't all know!
LEANNE |
Marie Finlay
Inspector
Username: Marie
Post Number: 156
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 5:48 am: | |
Actually, I had it figured early on, from looking at your email addy, AP.  |
Caroline Anne Morris
Sergeant
Username: Caz
Post Number: 29
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 6:10 am: | |
Pon me word! Me secret is out.
Does that mean you would be quite happy to see me clad in mini-skirt at the Liverpool Conference?
As I have said to you many times, all is not what it seems.
I'd like to bet from these clues (among others) that he ain't no she-wolf.
Am I warm, A P? I'm gonna have me some fun finding out in Liverpool. 
Love,
Caz
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AP Wolf
Inspector
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 162
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 1:33 pm: | |
Heavens, I'm all shy now, and blushing.
Sadly I will not be in Liverpool with or without a mini skirt, I should in fact be in Noosa Heads, on the beach and well out of reach.
Personally I find my gender unimportant to the subject under discussion.
Flattering though.
Now, where were we?
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Randy Scholl
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 3:23 am: | |
To A.P Wolf:
I just finished reading your book Jack the Myth via the link here in the Casebook, and I have to say that I thought it was very well-written and thought-provoking, and it offers compelling arguments for both Michael Kidney as the killer of Stride and for Cutbush as the Ripper. (And I find the Casebook's brief, lukewarm review of it somewhat perplexing.)
And I'm even tempted to conclude that Cutbush must have been the killer just by reading this alone, but in the interest of thinking about it in a responsible manner, I'll have to suspend judgment on the matter until I get a more in-depth understanding of the case, since I'm still fairly new to this case. (And to this end, just last night I placed an order with Amazon.com for "The Complete History of Jack the Ripper" by Philip Sugden and Jack the Ripper A to Z by several authors, both of which should hopefully giving me a firmer grounding on the case.)
I find it interesting that you appear to accept Tabram as a victim of the Ripper. Myself, one of the sticking points I've had since becoming interested in this case is that Tabram seems to be commonly dismissed so easily by so many, and so far, I've not seen any solid reason for dismissing her. At best, there may be enough differences in M.O. to consider the possibility that she might not have been a victim, but the similarities are great enough and the timing of the murder (the date) fits so perfectly within the overall series that it seems much more probable that she was killed by the same person than that she wasn't. (I.e., the gap between Tabram's and Nichols' murders is comparable to subsequent gaps between killings.)
The one thing I found unsatisfying about your book is that in the beginning you introduce the provocative coincidences regarding the address of 35 Dorset Street, and yet when you get into the arguments regarding Cutbush, there doesn't seem to be any references to it. Am I to take it that nothing has been found to link him to that address? Not that this would necessarily be a flaw in the argument of course, but rather, it would be a very strong supportive argument, which unfortunately seems to be missing. Other than that, I've got no major criticisms of your book or your arguments. |
AP Wolf
Inspector
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 297
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 2:23 pm: | |
Thank you, Randy, for your considered and careful review of the 'Myth'. All the points you make are valid, and particularly in regard to 35 Dorset Street where I too have difficulties in matching my arguments concerning Cutbush to that address. I think I was drawn to the fact that Thomas' uncle, Super Charles Henry Cutbush was directly in charge of Whitechapel lodging houses - from a policing point of view - and must have had an intimate knowledge of 35 Dorset Street. This coupled with my suspicion - and it is no more than that - that nephew and uncle were very close, close enough for vital information to be shared between them, and then the fact that young Thomas actually canvassed for a business directory of the Whitechapel area and at the same time period in 1888 never slept at home... this all sort of led me to believe that maybe, just maybe, young Thomas was bunkered down with the whores at number 35.
Yes, I believe Martha was murdered by Jack, I think it was a tentative first strike, the number of wounds discount any other motive than such as Jack had.
Cutbush is a sound suspect.
His connections to the case are positively alarming, but I have still never claimed that he was Jack.
The most persuasive thing about Cutbush as a suspect is his uncle's death and the results of the post mortem after that death. My understanding is that Superintendent Cutbush was covered from head to foot in old wounds caused by someone stabbing and nicking him with a knife, not fatally of course, just enough to make him bleed... he did of course die from a bullet to the head.
Interesting stuff though.
Thank you for your interest and time. |
jfripper
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 9:54 pm: | |
Hi all,
On the pondering of Mr? Wolf's gender, would I be close to the mark if I was to ask whether this was a pseudonym for Jennifer Lamy?? |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 218
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 9:35 am: | |
Hello jfripper:
On the matter of AP Wolf's identity as Jennifer Lamy or Paul Webb, etc., you might find the following reply to me of use, or not:
My variety of identities are a jolly aren't they?
Keep looking, you'll find more. I suppose AP Wolf is the closest to home, and handsomely protected by the WPS at that. Even I am unable to renew my driving licence as all the records have been evaporated, so I use a bicycle these days.
I am enjoying our contact.
best wishes
ap
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Marci Cutbush
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 5:34 pm: | |
It is so wierd to hear such a theory being as Thomas Cutbush is my ancestor. |
Robert Charles Linford
Chief Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 770
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 3:09 pm: | |
Hi Marci
Could you tell us more please?
Robert |
Diana
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diana
Post Number: 130
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 9:19 pm: | |
Marci, It would be so helpful if you could give us any family info. I am looking forward to hearing from you. |
Brian Hall
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:09 pm: | |
Curious
Has anyone heard from Marci Cutbush??
Did she take this discussion off line?
Brian Hall |
Ellen Lee Russell
Police Constable
Username: Ellen
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 5:59 pm: | |
Dear AP,
It makes "no never mind" to me what gender you are. Your unreserved generosity to the folks of the Casebook is so awe-inspiring as to be beyond the need to "genderize".
But I did note in Chapter 15 of your book "Jack the Myth", you say "There is still much to do, but I am not the man to do it. 'Nuff said?
I had been unable to procure your book, so I was thrilled to find it in it's entirity here in the Casebook. THANK YOU. As I have not finished it yet, I don't feel competent enough to discuss it here on the message boards.
Will we see you in Baltimore at the 2004 Conference? Will we see a man in a mini-skirt, a woman sporting a beard or a combination of both? I wish this planet has more than just two sexes. If we had six sexes we could really have fun with this.
Happy New Year,
Ellen  |
Donald Souden
Detective Sergeant
Username: Supe
Post Number: 94
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 8:34 pm: | |
Ellen,
"If we had six sexes we could really have fun. . . ."
Oh, great idea Ellen. Then this New Year's Eve instead of striking out with the opposite sex for a date I could get rejected in quintuplicate.
Just joking, but I do think we have problems enough as it is.
Don. |
Scott Nelson
Sergeant
Username: Snelson
Post Number: 49
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 10:20 pm: | |
Barbara??? Barbara Michaels??? Or is it Barbara Mertz? |
AP Wolf
Chief Inspector
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 657
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 7:39 am: | |
Thank you Ellen
your kind comments have made me blush.
I was almost going to the Baltimore affair, sadly having just returned from a long haul flight I have been advised by the dastardly quacks not to fly long haul again for at least a year. However several of me will certainly be at the Brighton affair in 2005 - if it comes off - as we are able to reach that beachside resort in our canoe.
Perhaps that obscure reference to my gender you ruthlessly dug out of the 'Myth' was intended to highlight the fact that I am continuing the research, so perhaps I'm the woman to do it.
I do know that I am wearing a tartan mini-skirt as I type this note, but it was a wild party last night.
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 531
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2004 - 3:27 pm: | |
Hi,
What is all this talk about Gender, even if it is all in gest, I for one, will be attending the 2005 conference, and I look foreward to meeting you A.P, along with hopefully a lot of the regular board posters, who without all your efforts this subject , would never be discussed, as fully as it has.
Lets hope it is in London- Brighton area, as Heathrow, and Gatwick conveniently serve both areas, and for those of you flying in by the convenience of a areoplane [ not canoe] it would conviently be suitable.
Regards Richard. |
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