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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 840
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:59 pm: | 
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While transcribing an article from the Frederick News (2 October 1888), I came across the passage below which relates to a suspect arrested shortly after the two murders of 30th September. Thought the suspect is not named the article is of interest for two reasons:
1) It actually gives an address for the suspect
2) It claims he was seen "in the locality of the last murder" - logically this must be the Eddowes' killing.
The print is faint in parts so I am including a transcription underneath
Hope it's of interest
Chris
London, Oct. 2.
Two more women have been murdered in Whitechapel. The crimes were committed within a few minutes of each other, and were evidently the work of the same man whose crimes have already paralyzed London with fear.
A man was arrested at midnight on suspicion of having committed the terrible murders in Whitechapel.
He is a tall man, with a dark beard. He wore an American slouch hat, by which he was traced from the locality of the last murder, where it was reported that he was seen on Saturday night, to Albert Chambers, on Union street, in the Borough, South London, where he was found. The Borough is across the river and far away from the Whitechapel quarter.
When arrested he was unable to give any account of himself during the previous night. He assumed a defiant attitude.
The police are investigating his antecedents and movements, of which, it is said, he refuses to give any information.
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Glenn L Andersson
Chief Inspector
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 990
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 6:34 pm: |
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An interesting account, Chris.
One wonders how many suspects the police really checked out, and that was mentioned in the lost files. Because this one apparently doesen't appear in the internal police communication displayed in The Ultimate Companion. Or...?
Let us know if you find an article that follows up this lead, Chris.
All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden
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Erin
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rapunzel676
Post Number: 69
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 3:52 pm: |
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Could it have been Pipeman? Begg's new book discusses the possibility that he was apprehended and then dismissed as a suspect, although he might still have been regarded as a witness.
Wow, just realized what an old thread this is. . .Oh well, I just got the book.  |
Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 939
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 7:38 pm: |
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Since he was tall and had an American style hat I wonder if it was Tumblety? |
Howard Brown
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Howard
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 8:16 pm: |
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Well,whomever he was,he was taking chances with his attitude.
"When arrested he was unable to give any account of himself during the previous night. He assumed a defiant attitude." |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5466
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 11:44 am: |
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There's another account of this in the "Times" Oct 1st.
Robert |
Dan Norder
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 1088
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 1:49 pm: |
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Hi all,
This incident got picked up by many newspapers, most of which had duplicated nearly the exact same wording. Notable exceptions were papers in Canada and the United States, which reported his name. Unfortunately the name was listed as one Albert Chambers, which was just a confusion with the name of the lodging house the man was found at.
There were a couple of follow-ups though that had additional information beyond the initial report.
The Daily Telgraph of Oct. 1, 1888, wrote:
"Upon inquiry at the police-station, Blackman-street, Borough, this morning, we were informed that there was no foundation whatever for the report, and that no arrests had been made."
The Times of Oct. 2, wrote:
"The report of the arrest of a man on Sunday night at the Albert-chambers, Gravel-lane, Southwark, was not strictly correct. The man was not taken into custody at all, but was merely requested to go to Stones-end police-station by a detective in order that he might give an account of himself. After a detention of half-an-hour he was allowed to go back to the lodging-house."
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
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Dan Norder
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 2:05 pm: |
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And from browsing the earlier posts in this thread again, I see that the main accounts of the incident weren't really covered. The most common version of the story does not link him to Mitre Square at all, and simply say that the lodging house keeper was suspicious of his looks and behavior -- a not uncommon event at that time.
Here are some links to various reports, with the term "Albert-chambers" highlighted on the page so you can find the section more easily:
Times [London] - 1 October 1888
Times [London] - 2 October 1888
Daily Telegraph - 1 October 1888
London Evening News - 1 October 1888
Irish Times - 1 October 1888
Montreal Daily Star - 1 October 1888
Frederick News - 2 October 1888
Daily News - 1 October 1888
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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ex PFC Wintergreen
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 9:29 pm: |
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It would seem strange that if this man was a suspect that he wasn't requestioned after the murder of Mary Kelly or kept under observation. It would almost fit in with the Tumblety story, but the address wouldn't fit in well with the Lodger story.
Wintergreen |
ex PFC Wintergreen
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 9:29 pm: |
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It would seem strange that if this man was a suspect that he wasn't requestioned after the murder of Mary Kelly or kept under observation. It would almost fit in with the Tumblety story, but the address wouldn't fit in well with the Lodger story.
Wintergreen |
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