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Jason
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 6:36 pm: |       |
Hi, just wondering if anyone here would know if Flemming was ever looked at as a suspect in MjK's murder? This might explain the FM on the wall, if it was really there....i.e., Flemming or Mary Flemming backwards. Joseph Flemming was supposed to have had some kind of sick obsessive love for her. What if she had rejected him, once too much for his liking, or he found out she was carrying a child that wasn't his, or maybe was his and she wanted him out of the picture. Or maybe it was someone who knew about Flemming and wanted to direct attention to him instead--maybe not. Anyways, if it was Flemming, maybe he was driven to kill her by some reasons mentioned above--he might have mutilated her in some similar ways to the Ripper to make it look like it had been him. He might have put FM on the wall to secretly represent Mary Flemming--that is, she was his and his alone--her life and death belonged to him. Also, maybe why the heart was taken out and "hart" might have been written on the wall--that is, she might have taken his heart but he took hers. Maybe Flemming was stalking her that night (and crept in when she had been sleeping) and killed her. Maybe it wasn't Flemming, maybe it was Barnett who killed her (he purportedly spit on her grave) and mockingly wrote FM to refer to Mary Flemming out of jealousy or whatever. Maybe Barnett had nothing to do with it and just spit on her grave because he detested her and thought good riddance to bad rubbish--or something like that. Just some suppositions. |
Dan Norder
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 8:36 am: | |
Jason wrote:
"He might have put FM on the wall to secretly represent Mary Flemming"
So now that'll be twisted into proof that he was dyslexic, much like ambiguous reports of Barnett's testimony have convinced countless numbers that Joe suffered echolalia, and further that that would be evidence of a larger mental illness.
"maybe it was Barnett who killed her (he purportedly spit on her grave)"
Much like Elvis purportedly married Bigfoot, but with even less evidence.
To turn a phrase, wild theories, like wild trees, grow up over time into large, towering living things, all from a single nut. |
Stan Russo
Sergeant
Username: Stan
Post Number: 25
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 12:45 am: | |
Jason,
Joseph Fleming was and is not a viable suspect in this case. Even by the strangest of happenings if he murdered Mary Kelly, what was his motivation for murdering any of the other women? There is none.
STAN |
Leanne Perry
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 1107
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 3:00 am: | |
G'day,
I read somewhere that, unlike Barnett, Joseph Flemming didn't object to Mary prostituting herself. Many husbands welcomed the extra income that their 'wives' were contributing.
LEANNE |
Stan Russo
Sergeant
Username: Stan
Post Number: 27
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 6:50 pm: | |
Leanne,
And how would that explain the four prior murders in context with Joseph Fleming being 'JTR? Even if Fleming didn't object to Mary Kelly turning tricks they were never married and any income went to supporting Kelly and Barnett. So where does Fleming become involved in this scenario?
STAN |
Michael Raney
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mikey559
Post Number: 56
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 6:08 pm: | |
I don't believe Flemming killed Mary. I believe Mary Kelly to be a ripper victim and I cannot see any reason, motivation, etc. for Flemming to kill the other (5,6 or 7) victims.
Mikey |
Monty
Chief Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 713
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 9:09 am: | |
Guys,
Ok to flaunt Barnett as a suspect.
But Flemming....oh no no no.
Give me the reasons why Barnett is more viable than Stephen or Morganstone at that?
Monty
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 654
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 3:27 pm: | |
Hi,
I believe who ever killed Mary Kelly, knew her well, we should never forget she was the last of the victims[ at least in my way of thinking].
Therefore, we have to suspect any men , that we know of in her life, and that includes Flemming, who we should remember, was said to have illused her, because of her association with Barnett, we however must include her reported husband the mysterious Lawrence, who visited her, and of course joseph Barnett.
I hate repeating those words 'If it were not , for that kelly woman , none of these murders would have happened'
Which implies, that somebody close to her, killed these women, because of her attitude.
Richard. |
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