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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 551
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 3:33 pm: |       |
One of the unknowns about R D Stephenson is the date of his death.
In the course of some research I was doing for another thread (the Crowley/Ripper connection) I came across this comment.
"There is yet another story worth mentioning. When the writer Bernard O'Donnell was doing an interview with Aleister Crowley in the thirties (15) he learned that the Great Beast actually knew Robert Donston Stephenson before he had died in 1912."
Needless to say I will be following this up!!
If the date of birth we have for Stephenson, 1841, is correct, this means he would have died at the age of 71.
Chris
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 552
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 3:37 pm: | |
I should have added that the above comment is taken from an article called
~ JACK THE RIPPER ~
A Biographical Sketch of a Friend & Acquaintance of Aleister Crowley
which can be read in full at
http://www.redflame93.com/JacktheRipper.html
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 553
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 3:43 pm: | |
Regarding O'Donnell who interviewed Crowley re Stephenson, apparently he was the crime reporter for the Empire News.
CS
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Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 336
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 9:01 am: | |
Hi Chris:
I wonder if the person behind the webpage on Crowley at http://www.redflame93.com/JacktheRipper.html,
or else O'Donnell, has confused Stephenson with William Stead, also mentioned on the webpage, who we certainly know died aboard S.S. Titanic when it sank on April 12, 1912? As far as I know, no one has come up with a date of death for Stephenson, and that includes authors Melvin Harris and Ivor Edwards.
All the best
Chris |
John Savage
Detective Sergeant
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 90
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 7:31 pm: | |
Hi Chris Scott
I had a quick look through the death registers for 1911 & 1912 also first quarter of 1913, and I am afraid I could find no likely candidate.
However I did come across an entry in the 1911 register for one William Donston, age 70, died Edmonton, 3a 257.
Probably not the same person, but I thought it might be worth a mention.
Regards,
John Savage |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 577
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:19 am: | |
Hi John
Thanks for that - the problem with both Stephenson and Ostrog in trying to trace date of death is knowning what name they were using at the time of death. Just from the census data for Stepehnson we have him using the names Stephenson, Donston, D'Ouston and D'Oustan. With Ostrog and his twenty plus aliases the problem is even more complex.
Thanks again for checking
Chris |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 715
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:10 am: | |
I am glad to announce that I have finally been able to verify that Roslyn Stephenson's date of death is 1916. His death was registed in the last quarter (Oct-Dec) of 1916 under the name of Roslyn D'Ouston, aged 76 at Islington (Volume 1b, page 189)
The section of the page showing his death and verification of the quarter and year are posted below:
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Monty
Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 372
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:28 am: | |
Chris,
Stunning work.....this aint no Antonio is it ??
Monty
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 716
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:30 am: | |
Definitely not!!:-)
The genuine article
Chris |
Monty
Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 373
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 11:50 am: | |
Chris,
Good lad. You have a talent my friend...you should charge !!
Monty
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David Knott
Police Constable
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 10
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Chris,
I know that a lot of people have spent a lot of time trying to find this. Congratulations and well done, and many thanks for sharing all of your finds with us!
David |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1278
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 1:12 pm: | |
Chris, congratulations! Am I wrong, or was this one of the big five things you recently said you'd most like to accomplish? Well, you have!
Magic!
Robert |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 717
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 1:20 pm: | |
Hi Robert
Yes you're right- it was one of the things on my "wish list" - now my sights are set on finding the date of Ostrog's death:-)
Could be a long night!!!
All the best
Chris |
Kevin Braun
Detective Sergeant
Username: Kbraun
Post Number: 76
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 1:50 pm: | |
Hi Chris,
Another great find. Can any more information be gleaned from Vol. 1 b, Page 189? Roslyn Stephenson may have been a guest of the London Fever Hospital (1801-1975).
Congratulations!
Take care,
Kevin |
Andy and Sue Parlour
Detective Sergeant
Username: Tenbells
Post Number: 66
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 2:52 pm: | |
Well Done Chris Scott!
Although Sue and I have never researched Stephenson he is nonetheless a viable suspect.
If it was Islington where he died, perhaps the local library will have a list of burials for the local cemeteries. It would be nice to find a marker or stone over a grave.
The problem with us is that living in the wilds of Essex we do not get up to London enough!
A&S |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 718
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 2:57 pm: | |
Hi all
I have ordered today a copy of his death certificate so will know an exact date and more details then
I will post when I receive it - they say it should be about 4 days
all the best
Chris
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John Savage
Detective Sergeant
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 113
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 4:26 pm: | |
Hi Chris,
Congratulations on a great find. In my experience, when ordering a death certificate from the General Register Office, it can take about two weeks, but still worth the wait.
Well Done |
Erin Sigler
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rapunzel676
Post Number: 110
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 5:26 pm: | |
Chris, you're a genius! What a find! |
Severn
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 1:48 pm: | |
Great discovery Chris and Many thanks for sharing it with us.Natalie |
Brad McGinnis
Detective Sergeant
Username: Brad
Post Number: 54
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 8:02 am: | |
Kudos Chris! You never fail to amaze me with your solid research. This is a loose end that has been bugging people for years. Thank you!
Brad |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 428
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:25 am: | |
Hi, Chris:
Excellent news that you have identified Roslyn D'Onston's date of death. Now if we can find out what he was up to in his last years. . . But this is a great step forward. Congratulations, Chris.
All the best
Chris |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 719
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 11:12 am: | |
Hi guys
Thanks for all the comments - just glad I was able to fill in a small piece of a large puzzle!
All the best
Chris S |
John Savage
Detective Sergeant
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 115
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 2:22 pm: | |
Hi Chris,
Whilst in the library today I thought to check out the National Probate Calendars to see if Donston had left a will. I searched under donston, douston, d'onston, stevenson and stephenson, but found nothing.
However I did come across the attached snippet, which may be a relative, as there is a conection with seed crushing. Perhaps I should explain that Beverley is about 6 miles from Hull where donston was born.
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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2890
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 2:29 pm: | |
Some excellent research on this thread, good job Chris et al.!
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 720
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 4:50 pm: | |
Hi John
The version of the name on the index was D'Ouston - might be worth earching under that
All the best
Chris
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