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Phil A.
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 11:52 pm: |       |
Does anybody here think that Jack the Ripper was in fact none of these suspects mentioned on Casebook? I know some people actually believe that, but I hope it's not true. But the good thing is that as time progresses, we will be getting more suspects. Sadly, there is a far greater chance that Jack the Ripper was none of these suspects than he was.
But who knows. |
Brad McGinnis
Sergeant
Username: Brad
Post Number: 11
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 10:39 pm: | |
Phil,
Yeah we know that.
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Leanne Perry
Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 399
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 4:39 am: | |
G'day Phil, Brad,
Oh Jack the Ripper has been mentioned alright! He was overlooked by the 'Ds' at the time, and everyone today is continuing to overlook him! He wasn't a celebrity, nor a successful person in any area of his life......his name was Joseph Barnett!
LEANNE |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 256
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 7:15 am: | |
Leanne, if Barnett was alive today, he'd be turning in his grave!
The case against him seems to defy logic.
Robert |
Faye
Sergeant
Username: Faye
Post Number: 15
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2003 - 8:44 am: | |
I can understand where the suspicion of Barnett comes from, but I personally do not think he did it and if he did something he only murdered Mary Kelly.
I agree with Phil. I think Jack was a nobody and we will never find out who he really was. But god, isnt it fun to guess?
Faye |
Monty
Detective Sergeant
Username: Monty
Post Number: 112
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 11:26 am: | |
Phil,
Thats the game though isnt it ??
Barnett wasnt overlooked. He was discounted.
Monty
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Leanne Perry
Inspector
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 411
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 6:13 pm: | |
G'day,
That's it Monty!
No one is saying that the greatest minds in London at the time were 'blind'! They were under great pressure to arrest the right man, a foreign looking man was their prime suspect, at the time.
Records of his four hour interrigation haven't survived, if they ever existed, but I don't think it would have included questions about HIS history. They just wanted to find out what he knew about HER past.
LEANNE |
James Eric Carter
Sergeant
Username: Archangel261973
Post Number: 45
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 6:06 pm: | |
I given a lot of thought about this, after reviewing some of my criminal justice matrial and psych 101. Then watching the season final of the first season of C.S.I. "Strip Strangler". I think that instead of looking at the Ripper murders over and over again start looking at peeping toms and other similar assults for the five years before the start of the ripper murders and physical assults for the year or so before.
I don't know if any of those records are still around or how they reported such but if you had some one arrested, then it might be possible to link him to JtR killings.
Latters, Eric |
Diana
Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 295
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 07, 2004 - 9:06 pm: | |
There were a series of minor assaults and non mutilation murders in Whitechapel preceding the killings. Most of the victims names escape me but I do remember Annie Millwood. |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 4:49 am: | |
Why look at Whitechapel ??
Monty
Face cream.....now thats just gayness in a jar... |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 327
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 6:11 am: | |
Monty,
We've got to start somewhere!
p.s it is still not here!
Jennifer |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 328
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 6:13 am: | |
Monty,
We've got to start somewhere!
p.s still not got my copy!
Jennifer |
Alan Sharp
Chief Inspector
Username: Ash
Post Number: 607
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 - 6:32 am: | |
James
Absolutely correct. Serial killers seldom appear out of nowhere, when apprehended it is usually found that they have a prior record of arrests on lesser charges, often involving peeping tom incidents, indecent exposure and arson. They often have a history of cruelty to animals also, although that probably would not have been reported in the 19th century. |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1180
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 4:01 am: | |
Alan,
I agree,
Im just waitng for a suspect to turn up whose previous started before 1888 and wasnt banged up during 9th November 1888.
Jenni,
But not Whitechapel.
Still not got mine either !!
Monty
Face cream.....now thats just gayness in a jar... |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Inspector
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 334
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 5:19 am: | |
Monty,
Fair enough
ps so good I had to post it twice (opps!)
Jennifer |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 1139
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 3:54 pm: | |
'Poor gentleman has fallen down the stairs.'
A quote from Whitechapel in early 1888.
When the poor gentleman recovered many weeks later it was discovered that he had been thrown down the stairs.
Early 1888 same person attacked female servant, mother and auntie, attempting to slit their throats.
Early 1888 same person lost their employment for violent acts on other workers, and took to 'rambling' around Whitechapel late at night, using alleyways and backyards to escape notice, came home covered in mud.
Early 1888 same person began writing letters to people in authority threatening them with violent acts if they couldn't cure him from his imagined illness.
He believed he had contracted the pox from a whore.
Not bad for a start? |
James Eric Carter
Sergeant
Username: Archangel261973
Post Number: 47
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 10:14 pm: | |
AP,
Yes that is good for a start, but I think just a start. Jack would have been a quiet offender to start out and he would have been able to hold down a job or at least get a long well with others. He would have been thee every man.
Also, he may not have lived in Whitechaple remember all the murders took place on the weekends. Its possible that he came to Whitechaple for business or just to come. I am sure that he knew the area well and that he had some kind of problem with prostitutes.
The search should include all of London and near by towns.
Laters,
Eric |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1182
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 6:41 am: | |
AP,
Quite.
This is why old Tommy ranks high for me.
Eric,
I agree. This search should not be solely limited to the East-end. Areas which include red light disricts should be looked at.
Monty
Face cream.....now thats just gayness in a jar... |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 1141
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 3:33 pm: | |
Thanks chaps
Prior to 1888 same young chap believes he is being poisoned by the Catholics of England, a view reinforced by his barmy uncle - who just happens to be a Metropolitan police inspector in charge of the Ripper case in early 1888 - and young man writes to a certain Dr Brook of Westminster Bridge, a Catholic, threatening to shoot him for supplying him with ’bad medicines’.
Young man’s uncle is ‘transferred’ from Whitechapel division to Scotland Yard as the second crime attributed to JtR takes off, there he happily controls all the lodging houses in the Whitechapel area where we do see a number of alarming connections to almost all the victims, in particular to 35 Dorset Street.
Meanwhile young man is employed in the tea trade in the Minories and then we do find that three if not four of the victims are slaughtered outside warehouses belonging to the firm that employed him: Kearley and Tonge.
The same warehouses where poor gentlemen fell down the stairs.
Self-made pornography is found in the young man’s rooms where naked women are pictured with devastating wounds to the particular areas enjoyed by Jack.
The young man’s abiding hobby is the study of illustrated medical books.
The young man becomes the subject of the most detailed piece of official evidence in the entire case.
Young man is sentenced to life in Broadmoor for stabbing women.
Young man’s uncle - by now Chief Executive Superintendent Charles Henry Cutbush of Scotland Yard in charge of salaries, pensions and lodging houses - shoots himself in head with service pistol whilst his astonished daughters look on.
No explanation is offered but the obituary talks of ‘one of the finest officers the Yard has ever known’.
My abiding suspicion concerning Chief Executive Superintendent Charles Henry Cutbush of Scotland Yard is that he was not only in charge of lodging houses, salaries and pensions but that he was also in complete control of the very few homes that had been set up for members of the Metropolitan Force in need of convalescence and recuperation, such as the Seaside Home at East Hove. It would have been in line with his other duties regarding pensions.
I believe this to be the crutch piece of the entire affair.
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Mara
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 3:56 pm: | |
I'd like to know, too, how many people here believe that Jack was someone who never made any of the suspect lists? I've seen one or two people agree. Do the majority of ripperologists believe the Ripper was an already named suspect?
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sidewinder
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 3:49 am: | |
I don't know where else to put this, so feel free to move it. This is just a shot from the hip, so just take for what it is:
The man observed by various witnesses was 5'5-5'7, wearing different clothes and sporting different colour and design of facial hair (from moustache to beard, carrotty to black) that doesn't seem to match his own colouring, which seems to have been some shade of blond (sandy hair, reddish face, etc.) I'd hate to give any credit to Patricia Cornwell, but it seems this person has a thing for disguises, even though I wouldn't think they were particularly convincing. Furthermore, the height is (even by 1880's standard) quite short for a man. He could have passed for a woman at some occasion, for example Mrs.Maxwell's sighting the morning after MJK was murdered. Another alternative - and remember I don't claim any credibility to this rambling! - is that we could be dealing with a Jill the Ripper, after all. The height, combined with a stocky build, and facial hair to try and look more convincing as a man, actually sounds like most women look in drag. This is just musings after a Halloween party I attended last week, where the costume theme was "gender bender". |
