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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2522
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 1:57 pm: | 
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Old Bailey. December 8th etc, the trials of Renwick Williams.
This very well educated gentlemen liked to roam the streets around St James stabbing women in the lower regions with an unknown sharp instrument.
The crimes are astonishingly similar to those of Thomas Cutbush, but his act in court is very much more together.
If anyone would like to read the lengthy transcripts I'll post them on as e-mail. |
Julie
Detective Sergeant
Username: Judyj
Post Number: 141
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 3:10 pm: |
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AP
I would be very interested in receiving these transcripts.
Thank you
Julie
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Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 897
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 6:56 pm: |
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Rhynwick Williams (the man convicted of attacking a number of women in London in the late 18th century on his second trial, both of which featured some testimony that now would be considered rather unorthodox) is an old favorite.
Jan Bondeson has a full length book about the case called The London Monster that's well worth tracking down. He also wrote an article for the October 2004 issue of Ripper Notes called "Serial Sadistic Stabbers: Cutbush, The Monster and Jack the Snipper" which focuses on Williams and other alleged picquer fetishists who attacked people on the streets to wound, not kill (if you have his book already the article is mostly a reworking of some of that).
About a year back (when I was reading Bondeson's book) I tracked down a court case and a couple of old publications about the case (one by a man who basically led the vigilance committee-style efforts to catch the Monster, the other by Williams' lawyer, Theophilus Swift, defending him from the charges). At some point I'll stitch them together as PDFs and distribute them. They came from the same online source AP probably used, so AP could probably get them too.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
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jan bondeson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 2:05 pm: |
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There were quite a few contemporary books about the Monster case. The proceedings from both trials were published and are available online. Angerstein the vigilante-leader's book was published in two editions, both are in US libraries but neither can be found in any UK library. The Swift book is also very rare, but there is a copy in Philadelphia. My book on the Monster will be out in a new UK paperback edition any day now.
Best wishes Jan Bondeson |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 3028
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 5:09 am: |
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From his portrait the old 'Monster of London' doesn't look that much of a monster. In fact he looks like a right gent!
The following - with Robert's blessing - is taken from 'The Old Bailey & Newgate' 1902, New York by John Ashton. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5489
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 8:06 am: |
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This is the London Monster.
Robert |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3537
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:11 am: |
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Surly looking brute !!!!! Mozart practising a sneer I'd say!!!!!
I suppose the ....'What shall we do tonight lads???'..'Go out and stab a few floosies up the bum with a sharp instrument Sir!'
'OK fair enough!!!'
Robert.....Where's that image from?
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3538
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:13 am: |
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Renwick (NRT)Williams .....[no relation to] Tony is he??????
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3539
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:20 am: |
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Have a look at this!!
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/html_sessions/T17900708.html
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3540
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:25 am: |
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RHYNWICK could be seen as being of Welsh extraction I .........suppose!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3541
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 10:34 am: |
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Super printable poster!
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/facsimiles/1790s/179007080001.html
Suzi |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5495
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 2:37 pm: |
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More of the Monster.
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3551
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 2:41 pm: |
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Blimey!!!!Robert!!!!!The 'Acme Defensive Muff' must have saved her!!!!!!!
Suzi  |
Julie
Inspector
Username: Judyj
Post Number: 272
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 5:50 pm: |
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Suzi
Great find Suzi. However the date is almost 100 yrs previous to the Jack murders.
Very interesting though
regards
Julie
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 3563
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 1:21 pm: |
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Julie-
Wasn't my find! was AP'S!!!! Yes I know it's 100 years pre JTR.... BUT it's the M.O. were looking at here......isn't it!
Cheers
Suzi |
Julie
Inspector
Username: Judyj
Post Number: 274
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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Suzi
RIght on Suzi, it was still a good find.
best regards
Julie
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jason_connachan
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 3:19 pm: |
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Jees, not another derriere fiend. Old London seems to have been awash with men stabbing women's bottoms. |
