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Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 3:24 pm: | 
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And so to Camberwell Green and Kate Cutbush's china shop where she worked and lived in 1910. The newspaper article(s) supplied here by the redoubtable Robert describe the shop as being on the corner of Daneville Road and Denmark Hill. This is that junction.
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Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 7:55 am: |
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This is St. Mary, Newington church on Kennimgton Park Road near Albert Street. It would have been , almost certainly, the church used by Kate, Clara and Thomas. Kate and TTC were married in a church with the same name but at that time it was located near the Elephant and Castle where there is now one of those gloomy parks on the old church grounds. Note the Dracula's castle type arches which may have been part of the original church.
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Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 3:29 pm: |
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I would like to think that this was Kate's shop at the corner of Daneville Road and Denmark Hill. It sort of looks like it might have been a china shop in a previous life
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Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 3:14 pm: |
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How about this for a most unusual and most welcome sight. Two nice pubs NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER! They are directly opposite the church and no doubt would have been known and used by young Thomas. Maybe South London isn't too bad after all.
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Debra J. Arif
Inspector
Username: Dj
Post Number: 173
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 5:12 pm: |
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Great photos Stephen! By nice pubs you mean no go faster flames painted on the outside
Debra |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2614
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 5:29 pm: |
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Cool stuff Stephen!Shall browse through these whenever I am thinking about all those Cutbush/Collicit people!
Thanks very much!
Natalie |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2837
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 6:12 pm: |
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Great guns, Stephen.
I believe your efforts and work here to be absolutely elemental to our understanding of then and now.
My hat is off to you, sir. |
Julie
Inspector
Username: Judyj
Post Number: 231
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 4:12 pm: |
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Stephen Thomas
Great Photos Stephen, much appreciated. Super Job.
regards
Julie
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Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 9:35 am: |
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Thanks Debra, Natalie and AP,
This is a photo of No.12 Durand Gardens in Stockwell which may be of slight interest. Durand Gardens is a very pleasant road with the houses snaking around a central oval shaped 'garden'. Kate Cutbush and Clara lived at No.16 in 1901 and their house which is no longer there would have been to the left of the house on the photo. The strange thing here is that the next house along is No.20 and there doesn't seem room between the two houses to fit in numbers 14, 16 and 18. Maybe No.12 was built after those houses were demolished and was larger than the original No.12. A bit of mystery.
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2637
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 6:21 pm: |
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Hi Stephen,
Thanks for these lovely photos.
One thing though-those houses are very old-something like 1850 or so,which would mean they were probably built before Thomas Cutbush was even born.I know the style well as they resemble
cottages we lived in in West london.They were
surrounded with houses looking very like these
so other houses would not have been squeezed in
like you say.Rather,the numbering will have changed most probably and the only way to find out what they were then is through taking a name through the 1841,1851,1861,1871 etc etc censuses.I have done it before myself via the local history library.They all keep census records.Or via the net as you do from time to time.
Fascinating to see these lovely old houses from the Victorian period.
Natalie |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5301
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 2:21 pm: |
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Stephen, fantastic photos once again.
Robert |
Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:56 am: |
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Hi Natalie,
I think I've solved the mystery of Kate's missing house. On the MOTCO.UK site the 1862 London map shows the road very nicely depicted, houses and all, but at that time it was called 'The Grove'. Select Dorset Street(22,12) for the right map section then scroll around a bit to find The Grove. Kate's house, maybe in a mini-terrace of three houses, can be seen at the bottom left where the road curves. By the way, 'our' Dorset Street with Miller's Court is on map section (13,16)
Now if you look at the 1898 Booth's Poverty Map Online you will see it is now called Durand Gardens and find the whole street rebuilt except for Kate's old house standing forlornly in the corner. |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2649
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 6:58 pm: |
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Stephen,
Thanks for the above post.Interesting that Kate"s is the only one left!I will chase it up tomorrow on the links you kindly provided.
Any chance of getting a photo of Abberline"s old house or has that now gone too?
Best
Natalie |
Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:55 pm: |
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This is Mayflower Road,London SW9 (North Clapham). Abberline's house at Number 41 is towards the back on the left.
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Stephen Thomas
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| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:44 pm: |
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As requested, Natalie, and happy to oblige, here is Abberline's house. It's the one with the satelite dish.
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2684
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 7:40 pm: |
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Great photos stephen!So Abberline had quite a fine house for those days!
Thanks a lot for these Stephen----really helpful.
Natalie |
Julie
Inspector
Username: Judyj
Post Number: 249
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 8:42 pm: |
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Stephen Thomas
Super group of pictures Stephen. Thanks for enlightening us. Great Job
regards
Julie
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