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Charles Valentine
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 12:34 am: | 
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After 1889, Louis Diemschutz seems to vanish into thin air. Where did he go? I cannot find a trace of the man in any genealogical database, so did he die or did he change his name? Can anybody help? And yes, I do think he is a credible suspect. |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 64
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 1:37 pm: |
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He died and went to Macdonalds.
Jules |
Brad McGinnis
Inspector
Username: Brad
Post Number: 265
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 2:47 pm: |
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Jules...Ah, so there really IS a hell... |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 870
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 3:01 pm: |
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Dear Mr. Valentine:
Just out of curiosity, could you give us the reason[s] that you think he is a credible suspect?
Thanks |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 65
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 4:27 am: |
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G'day Brad,
Yeah mate, after he got his head in the paper Diemschultz and Packer got together and started up a small franchise called Macgrapes. Dr Roderick Macdonald realised the potential for Macgrapes and started promoting health foods to the school kids of Whitechapel with some bloke called Jamie Oliver and the rest is history. Diemschultz's donkey went on to star with Barnum and Bailleys Flying Circus.
Jules |
Phil Hill
Chief Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 750
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 4:29 am: |
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Can I add my plea to that of Howard - what is the evidence for thinking Diemschutz to be the killer.
On the face of it he doesn't even fit the bill for the account of STRIDE's murder (ie the one he found) given by Schwartz. What connection does Diemschutz have to the others?
Phil |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 66
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 4:32 am: |
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Seriously though Charles, what reasons do you have for Diemschultz being a suspect?
Jules |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 67
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 4:48 am: |
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G'day Phil,
The only thing I can think of is that Charles might be thinking Deimschultz used his occupation to get himself around the place without drawing attention to himself. But that theory falls apart because no-one reported seein a horse and cart in the vacinity of any of the murders - and they were asked.
Jules |
Phil Hill
Chief Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 756
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 2:43 pm: |
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This is just a re-hash of the old "mid-wife" hypothesis (if your view is correct, Jules). Someone who had a reason to move around the area and was effectively invisible.
The problems here are that, as you rightly state, there is no evidence of the bodies having been moved, or of carts being seen nearby. Actually, having to think about a horse and cart might have slowed down the getaway and would have been a giveaway had they had to be abandoned in a hurry!!
Secondly, Diemschutz himself has no associations with any of the other murders, and he does not fit the account of Stride's killing given by Schwartz.
I don't think this horse is going to run!!
Phil |
David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 121
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 4:08 am: |
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I guess the reason for suspecting Diemschutz would be that we was sent to prison within 6 months of the murders for assaulting a policeman. However, that was in vastly different circumstances, and I would have thought that he had an alibi for the Eddowes murder in that he was probably still in Berner Street. |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 68
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 5:56 am: |
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G'day Dave, Phil,
Yeah, ya can't beat that for an alibi.
What gets me is Berner St is only a spit away from Bishopsgate cop shop and yet the police there haden't heard of Strides murder and let poor old Catherine out to meet her fate.
Bloody great communication system or what!
Jules |
Charles Valentine
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 3:26 pm: |
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I have a very good reason, and if you recall Sugden's book, where he says we shouldn't view Jack as one man, but perhaps two men...
Still, after all the 'jokes' about McDonalds and Packer, no one obviously knows an iota about the life of Diemschutz in the aftermath of the murders. Would Neal Shelden know? Any suggestions, please. |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 929
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 6:05 pm: |
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Chas:
In an old Ripperologist [ page 14-15, August 2001, issue 36 ], there's three newspaper accounts of Diemschutz and a couple of pals getting in trouble for beating some guys up in March of 1889 and subsequently being sent to jail in April of that same year. Louie D. recieved 3 months in jail for his charges.....
Beating up a guy named Israel Sunshine [ no kidding ] is a little different than being part of a duo of murderers...but I'm interested in what you are driving at...
Please elaborate Mr. Valentine....
Thanks... |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 85
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 11:48 pm: |
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G'day Howie, Charles.
We know from Diemschultz's testimony at the inquest that he lived at the Club and was laso a Stewadr there. Unless his fortunes changed and he won Lotto I reckon ne still would have been living in the area when he carked it.
My best be would be to check out the old census records to see where he was living during the next few years and maybe even the old parish records to see where it was that he was living when he died.
But like Howie asks - what is it you're searching for?
Jules |
Charles Valentine
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 11:18 pm: |
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I don't wish to sound mysterious but I do have a very valid reason, and will reveal all if someone could just let me know what became of Dimeschutz after the murders. I know he got into trouble with the police over a minor matter, but if someone could just provide me with some information regarding life after the murders ceased, I will reveal something about the man that every Ripperologist has missed. I have looked in the Censuses and cannot find him. |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 962
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 4:46 pm: |
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Dear Dave Knott..
Sorry to have posted essentially what you already had for Charles.. I didn't see your post,buddy...sorry !
Dear Charles V :
"but if someone could just provide me with some information regarding life after the murders ceased, I will reveal something about the man that every Ripperologist has missed."
Chas...are you sure of what you posted here? It appears that you need something from us in order to inform us of what we don't know until you tell us.....if that makes sense.
What do you think happened to Diemschutz,in case no one else knows? |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 104
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 3:47 am: |
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G'day Charles, are you after Deimshultz's life or life in general, or the lives of all the other witnesses.
What are you getting at that we have overlooked?
Jules |
Charles Valentine
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 12:41 am: |
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Look, putting it plainly. Diemschutz (aka Diemshitz) cannot be traced by anyone after 1889. He has vanished. Can someone tell me where he is post-1889? And his wife and children? Instead of me putting forward my views, which would possibly bias a researcher, I will withhold my theory until an independent "ripperologist" or genealogist states exactly where Diemschutz was. Simple question. Everyone will kick themselves. |
David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 124
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 6:15 am: |
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Charles,
According to an article in Freedom, vol. 5, No. 53, April 1891: -
Diemschutz stayed with the socialist movement and was a noted speaker, visiting Manchester in March 1891, where he was a speaker in memory of the Paris Commune along with the celebrated Benjamin Feigenbaum at a meeting in a crowded working men's club.
This is courtesy of Paul Begg's The Facts |
David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 125
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 6:37 am: |
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Here is a link ...
http://www.poprostu.pl/mirrory/Anarchist_Archives/journals/freedom/freedom5_53.html
MANCHESTER.-At the 1. W. M. Club, 25, Bury New road, March 21st, a public meeting in memory of the Paris Commune was held. Speakers: Shure, Diemshitz, Feigenbaum, Stockton, and Barton. The. club was crowded to overflowing, so that the late comers had to remain on the stairs. A resolution was passed condemning the action of tile French Government of '71 against the Commune, and further, all Ionsent were appealed to for hello to take revenge upon the brutal capitalist-, under whose rule the Communard,%: were slain. The meeting closed with singing "The Marseillaise" and with three cheers for the Social Revolution. Much literature ,old, including three dozen of our new pamphlet.
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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 988
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 7:41 am: |
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From David's reference:
" A glance round the large room, with its pleasant little. tea tables, each brightened by the music of friendly talk, showed Germans and Frenchmen from the Autonomie in conversation with Englishmen from the provinces, Jewish Comrades from Berner Street, laughing and talking with members of the Italian group..."
Good find,Dave...and thanks ! |
Nicholas Smith
Detective Sergeant
Username: Diddles
Post Number: 110
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 9:28 am: |
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Now you have some more information I'm looking forward to what you have to sat which we've all overlooked.
Jules |
David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 126
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 5:47 pm: |
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The surname is certainly conspicuous by its absence from the census records. If he anglicised his name then we'll never find him. The best I've come up with is a possible candidate for his wife: -
Mrs Anna Dimichitz b1868 Russia, a boarder at 38 New Street Aldgate in 1891.
There is also an Emily Dimschitz who got married at Mile End in 1897.
David |
ex PFC Wintergreen
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 7:13 pm: |
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Just tell us Valentine! If you want help then send something our way. Throw me a fricken bone here. |
