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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 636
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 9:33 pm: | 
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The woman whose recollections were the basis of Bernard O'Donnell's 1930 interview, Mrs. Vittoria Cremers, now has her own thread.
Nina Thomas,as well as Spiro Dimolianis,the Australian researcher,have been investigating the background of this woman. From Mrs. Thomas, we have this to report based on what they found and what was a generally accepted premise of Mrs. Cremer's nationality...
First of all, on page 43 of the True Face of JTR, the declaration is made that Mrs.Cremers was an American.
She was not. Yet another bit of misinformation.
She was born : Vittoria Cassini - b. Pisa, Italy - Parents: Manrica Vittoris Cassini & Agnes Elizabeth Rutherford.
There is a discrepancy regarding her birthplace,as the IGI has it listed as Italy, while the Ship Manifest has it registered as London. More to come regarding this.
Thanks to Nina and Spiro for their efforts.
HowBrown
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Graham W.
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 6:05 am: |
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The identification here appears to be based on the marriage between Vittoria Cassini and Louis Cremers on 26 November 1886 in Manhattan. Her father's name should be Manrico (rather than the feminine Manrica). Describing Cremers as an American is understandable given her long residence in that country - certainly to outsiders she was American ( and may even have identified herself as such). The Cremers character in Crowley's novel 'Moonchild' is described as being American so I suspect it was an identity by adoption rather than birth. |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 646
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 6:24 pm: |
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Dear Graham:
Thanks for correcting the father's name. It was Manrico...that was my error !
I agree with you that someone could mistake Mrs. Cremers as an American. Anyone living here has some of America rubbed into them after a while...The statement that it was misinformation was not intended to slight,only correct. Thanks for your post and the one on the other thread likewise...Much appreciated !!!!
HowBrown
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