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Chris Scott
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Post Number: 1969
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have traced Donston in the 1861 census, still living with this parents. This listing is as follows:
135 Church Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire
Head: Richard Stephenson aged 54 born Hull - Linseed, rapeseed and Corn (?) Crusher
Wife: Isabella Stephenson aged born Sculcoates
Children:
Isabella aged 23 born Sculcoates
Richard aged 21 born Sculcoates - Ship Broker's Clerk
Robert D aged 19 born Sculcoates - Lieutenant Southern <illegible>
Visitor:
Ann Lambert aged 71 born Boston, Lincolnshire
Servant:
Eliza Ward aged 21 born Marylebone - Housemaid

the professions for both Donston and his brother Richard are hard to decipher. That for Donston read "Lieutenant Southern..... Retired". Any help with this reading appreciated (see below)

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Stan Russo
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,

From a purely geographical standpoint, South being below and North being above, perhaps this meant that he was a LOW Lieutenant?

Hope that helps.

SJR
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Chris Scott
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Post Number: 1970
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Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Stan
I have made out (I think) the 4th word - only one to go!!!
It reads:
Lieutenant Southern <illegible> Italy Retired
This would fit in with his service with garibald's army
Chris
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Chris Scott
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Post Number: 1971
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I think the missing word is ARMY.
So, it would read:
Lieutenant Southern Army Italy Retired

Chris
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Sir Robert Anderson
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Post Number: 390
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I have traced Donston in the 1861 census, still living with this parents. "

Figures. The Great Satanist, living in his parent's basement. It seems in some ways the world hasn't changed very much, lol.
Sir Robert

'Tempus Omnia Revelat'
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Howard Brown
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Post Number: 356
Registered: 7-2004
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Sir Bob...

Our boy had just returned from fighting abroad.

He was 19 years old and probably waiting for Daddy to line him up with a tit gig based on Daddy's status as a seed crushing-mill owner. To the basement with him and his black fingernails and Robert Smith [ the one in The Cure, not the one from Smith-Gryphon ] haircut !!!!...but it wasn't happening or he was restless. He was a predecessor of the bored teenager of today..

Now to the serious part of this post.

Chris has now caused Stan Russo to have to make a revised edition of his latest book [ The JTR Suspects ] due to this finding.

Basement dweller D'onston meets with Bulwer Lytton's son in 1859 in Paris..Bulwer-Lytton himself in London in 1860...goes off to war in 1860...comes back or at least is back for the census in 1861...goes to Africa and returns in either late 1862 or early 1863, because by March of 1863, he has that Dad-bought job at the Customs House in Hull.

Not bad for a guy who was just under 22 years old. He didn't turn the big "22" until April 20th....which was another dabbler into the occult's birthday..Adolf Hitler.

Stan has it down in his fine book on page 153 that RDS served from 1860-1863.

Shame on you,you...you...Goombah !
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Howard Brown
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Post Number: 357
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 5:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Quick add-on...

Mr. David Knott deciphered the line which describes the profession of Richard Stephenson as

" ship brokers chartering clerk".....

Hats off to Dave for this clarification....

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