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Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 601
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 2:46 pm: |       |
Some time ago there was a question about whether Deeming had confessed to the Whitechapel murders. I don't think this has been posted yet.
Andy S.
New York Times March 27, 1892:
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Christopher T George
Chief Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 971
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 3:31 pm: | |
Hi, Andy
This is interesting but note that the article misstates where Frances Coles' body was found. It was not "concealed in a house" as stated here (but as were Deeming's known family victims). Coles body was found by Police Constable Thompson 240H on the morning of 14 February 1891 in Swallow Gardens, a narrow alley running between Chambers Street and Rosemary Lane (now Royal Mint Street). This then throws further doubt on any veracity the story might have.
All my best
Chris George
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3135
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 6:16 pm: | |
Hi Andy and Chris
The West Ham reference seems to point to the discovery of the body of 15-year-old Amelia Jeffs in an empty house in West Ham, in February 1890. Her murder seems to have been confused with that of Coles.
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Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 602
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 9:40 pm: | |
It is difficult to know which two murders are referred to here as the "last two." It's safe to assume it is not the last two canonical victims, Eddowes and Kelly -- unless Eddowes and Stride were not killed by the same hand. My guess is that it is a reference to Kelly and a confused reference to Coles that really refers to Jeffs. This fits nicely in that both were found inside houses and Deeming's other victims were found inside houses.
However, I agree with the article's last caveat: it is an old ploy of prisoners to plead guilty to well-known crimes in order to gain extradition.
Andy S.
(Message edited by Aspallek on October 01, 2004) |
Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 74
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 8:43 am: | |
Mr.Spallak or C.G.:
Would Deeming have confessed to avoid extradition,because Australia has or had, a death penalty and England didn't ?
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Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 604
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 11:35 am: | |
Howard,
Deeming was in prison in Australia at the time.
England did have a death penalty in 1892, I'm quite sure, as did Australia.
It's a well-known ploy among guilty prisoners to attempt to gain extradition in order to slow down or confuse the proceedings.
Andy S.
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NC
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 11:01 pm: | |
Andy & Howard,
Just for your info., this article outlines the history of capital punishment in Australia.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti03.pdf
It was in place at the time and was used quite vigorously.
Coincidently I am currently working in the Argus Building, former site of the now defunct newspaper
quoted above.
Regards
Neale
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