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Peter J. Tabord
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 7:03 am: | 
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Hi all
I've mentioned a couple of times that Francis Thompson looks to me the most interesting of the 'famous' suspects. However, this is based just on his suspect profile on the Casebook. Can anyone point me to any further in-depth stuff about him, or haa anyone any relevant information (for or against him as a candidate) they wish to put forward?
Regards
Pete |
Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 8:11 pm: |
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Hi Pete
There is a lengthy piece on Thompson here on the Casebook at
http://casebook.org/suspects/ft.html |
Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1090
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 8:29 pm: |
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Hi Pete
The article mentioned above says at one point:
In the Autumn of 1878 Thompson entered his name on the Manchester Royal Infirmary registrar. The infirmary, in which he studied for the next six years as a surgeon
In fact he is listed in the 1881 census as a Medical Student but with his family as follows:
The Surgery, 224 Stamford Street, Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire
Head:
Charles Thompson aged 57 born Rutland
Widowed
Surgeon MRCS LAC
Children:
Francis J Thompson aged 21 born Preston - Medical student
Mary aged 19 born Preston
Margaret aged 16 born Preston
Servants:
Rosa W Cox aged 19 born Nottingham - Cook
Jane Hughs aged 22 born Wales - Housemaid
Chris |
Peter J. Tabord
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 5:29 am: |
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Hi Chris
Thanks, yes I had read that. I was a bit suspicious of the 'thinks he is God' motive, since it seems quite possible he was 'merely' sexually inadequate. But I suppose the two things might overlap in one as religious as he seems to be.
He seems to have quite a lot going for him :
Right age
Right height
Proximity
Strange behavior
Surgical experience
Opium addict
'Shabby genteel'?
Boasted about having scalpel(s?) and leather apron
Boasted about consorting with prostitutes (succesfully?)
Claimed to have been scouring Whitechapel for a 'lost love' at the time of the murders
Removed from scene at about the right time
Wrote about the hunting down, disembowelling and ritual sacrifice of women. (Explicitily - no 'artistic interpretation' needed)
'Thing' about neckties (possible use for strangulation?)
And, just to round out the issue, a suspicious death.
He was not, of course, suspected at the time or directly linked to the murders in any way.
What I'll do is see if I can track any independant biographies on him and see if the above 'causes for suspicion' can be confirmed.
Regards
Pete
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Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1093
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 11:00 am: |
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Hi Pete
Will be interested to see what you find.
Below is a pic of Thompson
Chris
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Chris Michetti
Detective Sergeant
Username: Pl4tinum
Post Number: 84
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 11:28 am: |
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Back then, if someone committed murder but reached a sanctuary then they could avoid arrest. It was reasoned that if a suspect was truly guilty then their fate was under the jurisdiction not of the sherrif, but of God. If a suspect could enter sacred ground without suffering a blight from heaven then it was reasoned that they must be innocent.
Any chance after the Mitre square killing that he would have been headed in the direction of the church and on his way there dropped the apron in Goulston st?
Chris 
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Paul Jackson
Detective Sergeant
Username: Paulj
Post Number: 81
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 8:12 pm: |
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Hey Guys.
Ive been getting more interested in Thompson recently, as well. Chris, Thanks for the pic.
Paul |
Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1094
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 9:27 am: |
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Hi all
Beloe is the cover of an Italian edition of Thompson's poems which has a younger pic of him
Chris
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2252
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 9:44 am: |
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Hi Peter
If I remember right, according to a BBC radio programme last year Thompson was nursed back to health by a prostitute after a failed suicide attempt. They set up home together, but she left him when his poems began to attract attention - perhaps lest she hold him back.
Robert |
Carl Burrows
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 5:35 am: |
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Hi Peter,
I Find Thompson a very interesting character as well and I think as an artistic suspect he's probably more viable than Walter Sickert.
I 'm from the same area as Thompson,I used to work for a company in Stamford Street Ashton u Lyne where Thompson lived as a child ,and also have been to the infirmary many times where Thompson studied surgery.
I posted my thoughts recently which mirrored yours on a thread without much responce( I went away tail between legs).
I also found the following
http://www.geocities.com/darkly_burning/2002.html
I've also got some photos other than the above somewhere on my hard disk,But its full of all sorts ,I use my Mac as part of a recording studio,and I've got 3 hard drives full of songs and junk,however if I retrieve them I'll post.
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Carl Burrows
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 8:08 am: |
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Hi again,
I found one,
thompson pic when he was older.
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Peter J. Tabord
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 5:01 am: |
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Hi Carl
Thanks for that, fascinating.
Here I suppose is the 'orthodox' view of Thompson:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14703b.htm
There seems to be quite a bit available about him - I'll keep digging. Looks like its too late to write a book though :-)
Regards
Pete
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Lenny Picker
Police Constable
Username: Mycroft
Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:27 pm: |
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I have run across a reference from a Paradox Press to an Australian book espousing the Thompson-the-Ripper theory - has anyone read it? Does anyone know of any reviews?
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Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 100
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 11:12 pm: |
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Hello Mr.Picker
Yes,I have read Richard Patterson's book on Thompson. What Richard has told me via e-mail,is that he intends to re-work the book,which is currently in a spiral spined, magazine format and that he is going to do more research into F.T.
Rich's book has a lot of Thompson's poems and information on his sad decline into a personal hell...He weighed 70 pounds when he died.
If someone follows my post with the desire to expand on the book,so be it. However,Mr.Picker,should you wish to ask me some questions,feel free to P.M. me and I will be happy to comply with your inquiries.
Take care.... |
Carl burrows
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:33 am: |
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One of the interesting things regarding Thompson is
....look at the eyes on the picture above when he was about the right age for the crimes..they apper to me really intense and glowing..theres a thread recently on the boards regarding the man seen in Mitre square,I dont remember the description word for word without looking it up, but it was noted the man had peculiar glowing eyes, Barnett,D'onston and Tumblety have been speculatively proposed on the same thread, but I think the above picture certainly suggests Thompson to fit that particular description. Also reference to snow like skin,hieght and interestingly,one witness account of a suspect uttering the words " you will say anything but your prayers". Who out of the known suspects has a religious connection also? If nothing else Thompson seems to cover a lot of bases,maybe a lot of coincidence but I think he is worthy of further investigation. |
Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 111
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 6:59 pm: |
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"Who out of the known suspects has a religious connection also?---from Mr.Burrows, above
Just my two cents,Mr.Burrows,RDS did write the 1904 book,the Patristic Gospels...and was hooked up with Mrs. Woodhull after 1888.... |
Carl Burrows
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 5:35 am: |
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Hi Howard,
My apoligies! I did'nt realise
The funny thing is the last Ripper book I read was Regarding D'onston,The Black magic rituals, it mentions the gospels in the appendix but not in the main story as I remember.
However I do find probably like yourself, D'onston an interesting character, anyone who can mix Black magic and religion in on lifetime must be off his rocker. |
lauren knight
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 7:33 am: |
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Francis Thompsons' motto was;
"Every Scope, by immoderate use, turns to restraint". Can any one explain to me how this is similar to that of 'Jack the Ripper' quote;
"I shant quit ripping them till i do get buckled"?
Ta chuckies. |
S. Ryan
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:13 am: |
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Hi
Is it just me , or is Francis Thompson the most underated suspect ever. His profile is more eyecatching to me than James Maybrick and that silly diary. Yet the number of posts for Maybrick is 6450 and for Thompson it is 22. This I can't figure out. He has more going for him than Druitt as a suspect. I am just wondering is there some sort of conspiracy keeping out of the limelight? Whats the go? |
allerteuerste
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 3:09 pm: |
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apart from the fact that thomspon definetely was a seriously ill person and probably to weak to commit any of the crimes there is just one thing more which keeps me from regarding thompson as a
possible ripper suspect - he was LEFT handed whereas the ripper appears to have been RIGHT handed. |
