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Chris Scott
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Post Number: 471
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Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 2:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have seen in some sources much made of the fact that Eddowes also used the name Kelly, especially in theories that argue that MJ Kelly was the intended victim. I have found the extract below from an article I am transcribing (dated 19 July 1889) which states that McKenzie also used the name Kelly. Does anyone have any forther information on this?
Chris

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Caroline Anne Morris
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Hi Chris,

I imagine the name 'Kelly' may have been in common use by women who needed an alias. At least Alice couldn't have been the superstitious kind if she was using it after what happened to Mary Jane.

(The name Myra has, to no one's surprise, all but disappeared since the 1960s.)

Love,

Caz
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Chris Scott
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Hi Caz
Interesting thought - if your theory that Kelly was a common alias is right, it might suggest that it was not Mary Jane's real surname either which could explain her absence from available sources.
Perahps one of the other surnames atrributed to her - Davies, davis, Fisher, Lawrence - is nearer the truth
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Chris
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Caroline Anne Morris
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Hi Chris,

It just struck me that after MJK, not many women would have gone out of their way to call themselves Kelly unless it was their real name, and those who had previously used it could be forgiven for dropping it like a stone - unless it was in such common usage as to be almost meaningless, like Smith.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if MJK invented her name. Given all the rumours about her running hither and thither to avoid ghosts from her past, it would seem the obvious thing to do.

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Caz
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AP Wolf
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Chris
I get the very real impression that these women often used the name 'Kelly' when they were dealing with the many pawn shops of the Whitechapel area.
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N. Beresford.
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Wolf,

"I get the very real impression that these women often used the name 'Kelly' when they were dealing with the many pawn shops of the Whitechapel area."

Why? Beresford
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AP Wolf
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Because the name Kelly comes up often in criminal cases from the LVP where items have been pawned, even when the people associated with the case are not named Kelly.
Perhaps two of the victims included.

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