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DanHedley
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Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 7:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does anyone know if any items of clothing belonging to the victims still exist? If so, are any on public display?
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Monty
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Post Number: 243
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan,

The only thing I can think of right now, off the top of my head, is Kate Eddowes shawl.

I believe there is a bit of a debate on if this is the genuine article.

Cant tell you who holds it....I think it may be the Parlours.

Sorry I cant be clear, perhaps someone else may be more helpful.

Monty
:-)
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Jon P. Van Skiver
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Username: Jonvs

Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan,
I heard the same thing. The debate centers on the condition of the shawl; from the way it's been described it's seems in very good condition. Since Kate's clothes were very worn and tattered, the argument is that the shawl was in too good condition to have belonged to her.
Seems like a weak argument to me, other victims had "new" bonnets, etc so why couldn't Kate have a nice shawl?
BRG,
Jon
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Glenn L Andersson
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Post Number: 173
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 6:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan,

The only chance I can see, is if the "Black Museum" (Museum of Crime, Scotland Yard) should know anything. I doubt it though; artefacts from crimes during the 19th century seldom survives, due to the lack of importance of physical evidence during those days. And especially textiles -- due to the fragile nature of the material -- are hard to keep.

I learnt that myself during my own investigations concerning a murdered (strangled) young woman in 1908, where I read in a newspaper from 1920 that her clothes were saved, only to find that they had been destroyed a decade later. Mostly these kind of artefacts disappear or are being destroyed during relocations of police stations or archives and thinning of archive material.

What what a thrill it would be!

All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden
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DanHedley
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks very much!
Dan
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Cindy
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 5:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i've read that, the 5 victims had been nude, or their clothing lifted? can anyone help me about this?

thanx!!
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Andrew Spallek
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Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nicholls, Chapman, and Eddowes were found with their skirts at least partly lifted. Kelly was found wearing only her chemise. Stride's clothing was intact.

Andy S.

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