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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 303
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 5:24 pm: |       |
Hi
I have recently found a background article about Whitechapel which I am in the process of transcribing. This said that one of the crimes took place in "Cleaver's Yard" and includes an illustration. This can only conceivably be another name of Dutfield's Yard and I thought some might be interested to see the illustartion.
Regards
Chris S
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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2777
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 5:27 pm: | |
Hi Chris -
Not sure if you're transcribing the very same article, or if this image appeared in more than one paper, but we've got it on the Casebook at:
http://casebook.org/press_reports/augusta_chronicle/890731.html
If its the same article, don't want you to waste your time transcribing it 
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 304
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 5:33 pm: | |
Hi Spry
It is the same article but different paper:-)
Thanks for the warning
Chris |
Martin Fido
Detective Sergeant
Username: Fido
Post Number: 90
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 8:40 am: | |
Interesting. It's odd that the article should speak of "the socialists' club" as though there were only one in Whitechapel Union. There were definitely others. Yard names like "Dutfield's" were pretty colloquially applied to little areas dominated by one business, as Dutfield's was by Dutfield's sacking works at the bottom end. The posted name is a surprise: did the cigarette makers in the cottages opposite the Club all work for a named business by 1889, perhaps? (I was fascinated to find that a yard in my native village in Cornwall is now called "Carmen's Yard", as I must be one of the few people who remember old Mr Carmen, long retired from running his coachworks business which was thoroughly defunct by the early 1940s. He kept his ferrets in the former workshop, and the yard was not then officially named for him).
I suspect that Cleaver's Yard and its socialist club may be some place other than Dutfield's Yard. But it will have to fall to someone with access to the 5ft-to-the-mile ordnance survey maps of the period, and the eagle eye of a Paul Begg or Keith Skinner, to check it out.
All the best,
Martin F |
Tommy Simpson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 9:40 am: | |
A burglar picked up trying to rob a pawnbroker's shop one night in Sunderland County Durham in 1911, was found to be a Londoner. He gave the name Harry Harris a jew, resident of Everard st, which is only a few minutes walk south of Berner street . He said that he had met a man named Frank in a Socialist's club in Commercial road, who asked him if he wanted to accompany him up country to "earn a few bob". He Harris said he didn't realise they were going to rob a shop until he arrived in the Northeast, i don't think the police belived him somehow. A very extensive set of burglar's tool's was found in the pawnshop, together with half a ham,(obviously not practising jews) and bottles of water, so they had come well prepared.
It was thought in Sunderland at the time that this trio were linked to the gang who while being disturbed during a burgalry had gunned down two police officers in Houndsditch in January 1911. They had came to Sunderland it seems to avoid the heat that was then on in London following the Houndsditch outrage. Harris got six months hard in Durham jail for his trouble.
Was Cleavers Yard off Commercial Road? There is a 23 year difference i know but it's possible. Another link, was Harry Harris a relative of Harry Harris witness to the sighting of JTR with Eddowes in Church Passage. Another strange coincidence is the fact that the name of the jeweller whom the Houndsditch gang tried to burgle was named, youv'e guessed it Harry Harris
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