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Tommy Simpson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 10:09 am: |       |
Regarding the incident whereby a man who saw someone who looked like Stride, conversing with a man on the corner of Fairclough St. Berner St.shortly before the murder. The suspect wore a long overcoat, this was probably because it had rained that night for a few hours prior to the murder. Just suppose that this man was the murderer, a short while later a man was seen talking to Eddowes at the entrance to Church Passage, this man had no overcoat on. Could the murderer of Stride, presuming that overcoated man murdered her, have went home and took off his overcoat. If this is the case then it follows that he must have lived in close proximity to the Stride, or Eddowes murder sites. |
Monty
Sergeant
Username: Monty
Post Number: 19
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 8:28 am: | |
Tommy,
Fair point.......but !!!
Have you ever heard of the saying 'Dont $hit on your own doorstep'?
Doesnt mean that your sumarization didnt happen.
But in my opinion, which is worth Jack (pardon the pun), I find it unlikely that it did.
Cheers
Monty
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Tommy Simpson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 9:29 am: | |
When i say Close proximity Monty i mean within a walking distance of about 10 to 15 minutes maybe 20. After the killer had murdered Eddowes, he made off in a North Eastly direction, as you know he dropped a piece of Eddowes apron in Goulston St. He then headed East into Whitechapel, and i believe this is where he resided. The sightings we have of the killer suggests that he was of jewish appearance, if he was a jew he was heading into the heart of the Jewish quarter that night. |
Debra Hartley
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 10:00 am: | |
Hi,
I'm fairly new to the whole JTR thing and I need some advice.
I am particularly interested in the Stride murder.
Can anyone recommend a book that gives a good account of this particular killing.
All I have at the moment is an old book entitled"unsolved murders".The book gives a very brief overview of the murders and has a mortuary picture of Stride only(which you have probably all seen I guess).
Thanks in advance,
Debra |
Leanne Perry
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 1095
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 5:21 pm: | |
G'day Debra,
Order the book: 'The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook'(if your orering from England), and it's called 'The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Companion'(if you order in America). This contains the official records of the case.
LEANNE |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 1063
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 7:26 pm: | |
Hi Debra,
I can also recommend Sugden's and Rumbelow's books on the Ripper subject (note that the books' titles are quite similar) if you want good accounts of the murders and the lives of the victims. To my knowledge, there are no existing book solely dealing with the Stride murder.
All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden |
Debra Hartley
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 9:53 am: | |
Hi Leanne,
I took your advice and picked up a copy of "the ultimate JTR sourcebook"
and it looks very good indeed,plenty of information and pictures.
Whilst I was in the bookshop I had a quick look through some other "Ripper" titles.
What I didn't realise was that all of the victims were photographed and some of them more than once.
For instance there were two pictures of Mary Kelly in the "Sourcebook",which also contained a picture of Elizabeth Stride,different to the one in my old unsolved murders book.
I also bought a secondhand book written by Daniel Farson,which had no less than four pictures of Catherine Eddowes!
All exciting stuff!
Thanks again for the advice Leanne,
Debra.
Ps here is a scan of my old book showing amoung others Elizabeth Stride. |
Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
Username: Richardn
Post Number: 638
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 3:10 pm: | |
Hi Debra,
That picture of Stride , is a gem , I personally , have never seen that one, she was not unattractive was she, what a ghastly throat wound .
Thanks for posting it on this site.
Richard. |
Alan Sharp
Inspector
Username: Ash
Post Number: 397
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 5:45 am: | |
Debra,
I've never seen that photo of Liz before either. Would you mind posting the name of the book it is in? I'd be interested to try to find out where they got it from. |
Leanne Perry
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 5:57 am: | |
G'day Debra,
I recommended that particular book because it contains the official police files, that aren't 'polluted' by the opinions of modern authors. Glad you got it!!!
Is that photo of Elizabeth Stride real, or is it an artists impression of what she would have looked like?
LEANNE
(Message edited by Leanne on January 30, 2004) |
Martin Anderson
Sergeant
Username: Scouse
Post Number: 26
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 6:49 am: | |
It does appear to be a photograph, one I have never seen myself, but she does still carry the same Nordic features and wispy hair if you look carefully.
What is the book called Debra and when exactly was it printed?
Martin Anderson
Analyst |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 1076
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 9:37 am: | |
I agree, it does appear to be a photograph. She doesen't look that much alike Stride on the mortuary photo, though -- although there indeed are some similarities as far as facial features are concerned. The picture looks a bit retouched and arranged if you ask me, but anyway, I must say I have never seen it before either. Indeed it would be interesting to know the title of the book.
All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden |
Steve Laughery
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 9:29 pm: | |
Debra
Hi!
I have been reading books about Jack the Ripper (off and on) since I was in Middle School (early 1970s), and I have never seen the photo you just posted! It's amazing! It makes me wonder how many other pictures there are floating around out there that I know nothing about! Anyone else? Has that picture been in any other book?
Thank you, Debra!
Steve |
Donald Souden
Detective Sergeant
Username: Supe
Post Number: 127
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 11:00 am: | |
I'm betting the picture is that of a waxwork dummy. This is one instance in which I would gladly be found wrong, but the "skin" seems to have a sheen for which models would mortgage their souls and the highlights seem too bright.
Don. |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 204
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 2:18 pm: | |
Hi Debra
Like most here, I have never seen that photo of Elizabeth Stride.
Is there any information in the book about where the photo came from?
All the best
Rob |
Vincent
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 11:49 am: | |
"I'm betting the picture is that of a waxwork dummy."
I agree with Donald Souden. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened. Isn't the photo of Mary Pearcy on the casebook actually a photo of her Madame Tussaud's waxwork?
Regards, Vincent |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 1079
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 10:57 pm: | |
I agree with Donald's opinion as well; it certainly looks like a wax dummy to me.
Besides, compared with the mortuary photo, her hair on this picture is too short but quite similar to the hair-do on the terrible sketches of her in Illustrated Police News.
All the best
Glenn L Andersson
Crime historian, Sweden |
Leanne Perry
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 1112
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 2:51 pm: | |
G'day,
I'm voting for a wax dummy, because she doesn't appear to have any eyelashes and her face is too oily looking for a dead person!
LEANNE |
Andrew Spallek
Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 351
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 11:49 am: | |
I'm agreeing on the wax dummy theory. That's how it first struck me even before I read the posts that followed. I'm wondering what that picture is below and whether it has any relevance to the Ripper case. It appears to be a courtroom scene.
Andy S.
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Debra Hartley
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 7:15 am: | |
Hi,
The book I made the scan from is called "Unsolved Murders" by Kane Friday.
In the section relating to the Stride murder in Dutfield's yard,the author explains that the police believe that "A yard knife" was used by the killer.
Does anybody know what "A YARD KNIFE" is?
At the bottom is a scan of the cover of the book.
Debra Hartley. |
Brittney
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:45 am: | |
Hello im doing a report for school on JTR and im having trouble finding pics of the victims. i have to do a power piont presintation and im told we need as many pics as possible. But i cant find any good ones, does anybody have some advice? Thanks |
Monty
Chief Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 794
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 12:45 pm: | |
Brittney,
Ooops I did it again....sorry, bet you get that all the time.
Pictures of the victims. Problem.
There is a picture of Annie Chapman taken whilst she was still alive.
The others are whilst they are dead. Tabram, Nichols, Chapmans, Strides and Coles mortuary photos are respectful enough to be used on a power point.
Kelly and Eddowes I feel wouldnt be acceptable.
It all depends on if you are allowed to project these images.
Check out the Victims...
...click on this...http://casebook.org/witnesses/
It may give you an idea on what Im talking about.
Monty
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