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esm
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Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 5:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi,

I came cross this short article in the "Pester Lloyd", a german paper in Hungaria/Budapest which was know for a quite high quality standard.





The article is about Carrie Brown. It says:

"Murder of a woman in New York
Yesterday morning a gruesome murder was discovered in New York, which has a terrible resemblance to the murders of Whitechapel. Two days ago in the evening at 11 pm a man and a woman entered the East River Hotel, a low class pub at the Waterstreet. The woman was about 60 years old and belonged to a bad class of women,
the much younger man was poorly dressed. His name was Nicolai. The woman was strongly intoxicated. With a pint of beer the couple
went up to a higher floor into their bedroom. The next day the man had disappeared, probably using the roofs of the neighbouring houses.
The woman was lying dead in her bed. The body was mutiliated in the horrible way of the Ripper. There was a bloody knife found on the table, which was obviously used to mutiliate the body."



I have never come across the name Nicolai?

esm, Germany
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Dan Norder
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Post Number: 688
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi esm,

The hotel register for the room in question was signed "C. Kniclo," which my brain has tried to turn into "Nicolai" on more than one occasion. In an area where that name is more common it's probably understandable that they would have thought that.

As Wolf Vanderlinden points out in his article on the case in the July 2004 issue of Ripper Notes, the name was apparently added (and probably invented) by hotel staff and not something the killer actually wrote himself.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
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Malta Joe
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 1:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This thread has a "German Ripper News" theme to it, so what I've got might fit in here. It's a hundred to one shot that the following news article had anything to do with Carrie Brown's killer though. This story sounds like a copy-cat Ripper killing in Germany, and it occurred 18 months prior to the Brown murder. But since Brown's suspected killer was described as a German by the registering clerk at the East River Hotel and by the clerk at the Glenmore Hotel, I guess this is a good place to post it!

The New York World
Oct 19, 1889

JACK THE RIPPER AT HAMBURG
He Gave Warning that He Would Be on the Job on the 18th Inst.

Hamburg. Oct 18. - Excitement has been caused here by the discovery of a murder similar in its details to those perpetrated in Whitechapel, London.

The body of a woman has been found in Flensburg, a suburd of this city. The throat was cut, the limbs were dismembered and the abdomen cut open. The work of mutilation had been done by the hand of an expert, who, if not Jack the Ripper, imitated him closely.

The victim was one of the class of unfortunates, the quarter in which the crime was committed was a disreputable one, and there are other circumstances to lead to the fear that the woman-butcher of London has transferred his operations to this city. The police gave no information, but an active search for the murderer is in progress.

It is a curious coincidence that the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee in London received on Friday, the 11th inst. a letter purporting to come from "Jack the Ripper" in which he announced his intention of "being on the job" again on the 18th of October.

(The article above ended by reprinting the Ripper Letter that was sent to the Vigilance Committee.)
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Ms C
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Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Malta Joe -

It's a hundred to one shot that the following news article had anything to do with Carrie Brown's killer though. This story sounds like a copy-cat Ripper killing in Germany, and it occurred 18 months prior to the Brown murder. But since Brown's suspected killer was described as a German by the registering clerk at the East River Hotel and by the clerk at the Glenmore Hotel, I guess this is a good place to post it!

Very intriguing - even if the description of the Carrie Brown suspect as a German was not accurate, the three cities were all ports, which might fit in with Michael Conlon's 'La Bruckman' theory. It would be interesting to know more about the location in which murder took place and more details of the wounds and mutilations, or if the killer was subsequently caught.


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cate

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