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Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2953
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 9:26 am: | 
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I'm in the midst of fine-tuning the Casebook index, and its struck me just how many "new" areas of research have been touched upon thanks to the various dissertations and press articles submitted to the site over the years. I thought it might prove interesting to devote a small portion of the forum to a "fleshing out" of these interesting new avenues of research.
I've only completed cataloguing through the letter "F" to-date, but already there is a long list of "new" Suspects and Ripper-like murderers which I think may well merit closer inspection. With the sheer number of intrepid researchers we have on this site we should be able to make some excellent headway into these new unexplored areas of Ripperology, and perhaps (who knows?) maybe even make the next "big" find.
Here's an initial list of Suspects and Ripper-like Murderers I've compiled from the Casebook's index. Some are familiar to most researchers, though most are not. Each is linked to that topic's index page (which provides links to all areas on the Casebook where that person/event is discussed). If any particular topics interest you and seem worthy of further examination, feel free to create a thread in this folder devoted solely to that one person or incident. It might prove useful to try to find these people in additional press reports, census returns, etc.
Ripper-Like Murderers - 1880-1900
*Alfred Gamble
*Ameer Ben Ali
*Antonio Guerero
*Arthur Williams
*Atlanta Ripper
*Austin Axe Murders
*Bender
*Benjamin Dunnell
*Berlin Ripper
*Cleveland Ripper
*De Jong
*Del Rio Ripper
*Denver Strangler
*Dick Edwards
*Dr. Kudelko
*Dusseldorf Ripper
Ripper-Like Victims - 1880-1900
*Alice Walsh
*Amras Murder
*Amsterdam Murders
*Amsterdam Ripper
*Annie Austin
*Annie Borden
*Annie Moore
*Ashton Murder
*Barbara Waterhouse
*Benthen Murder
*Bermondsey Murder
*Berne Murders
*Bridgeport Murder - 1898
*Camden Town Murder
*Charles Murray
*Christine Warden
*Cincinnati Murders
*Clara Marshall
*Collingwood Mystery
*Cologne Child Murders - 1899
*Denison Murders
*Emily Barker
Suspects
*Alaska
*Alois Szemeredy
*Alonzo Maduro
*Arbie la Bruckman
*Benjamin Graham
*Benjamin Isaacs
*Calor
*Carl Feigenbaum
*Carl Nielsen
*Charles Akehurst
*Charles Holland
*Charles Ludwig
*Dartmoor Suspect
*Deptford Arrest
*Dodge
*Dr. Barnardo
*Edward McKenna
*Emil Totterman
*F.R. Harrison
Many of the above are "suspects" only in the loosest of terms - but each is in some way concerned with the case (either by committing or attempting a Ripper-like murder, confessing to being JTR, writing letters purporting to be JTR, being linked to JTR by the press, etc.).
Let's see what we can find!
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 259
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 3:23 pm: |
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Stephen, I have some information about De Jong and I have a feeling I know what is behind "Bender". The latter was possibly true, but more likely if interest in the American west of 1888-89 due to the persistant mystery of the fate of Kate Bender and her family of murderers from Kansas in 1873. It you haven't heard, the
Benders owned a roadside inn and killed travellers who were alone or in small groups for their property. They fled when they realized they killed the wrong victim (a locally prominent doctor), and posses failed to find them (officially they did - there is some grounds to believe that one posse did catch them, and lynched them). But in 1889 there was a trial in Kansas of two women believed to be Kate Bender and her mother. The trial degenerated into a farce, and both women were exonerated.
Jeff |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 262
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 9:40 pm: |
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Hi again Stephen,
First I checked Edmund Pearson's MURDER AT SMUTTY NOSE And Other Murders (Garden City: THE SUN DIAL PRESS,INC., 1926, 1938). In the essay, "Hell Benders, or The Story of a Wayside Inn" (p.263-290), on page 287 the date of the trial of Mrs. Sarah Eliza Davis and Mrs. Almira Griffith for the murder of Dr. William H. York (the prominent victim of the Benders) was in November 1889. This sets it in time with those two articles about the "Ripper suspect" "Bender" in Germany, that appeared in those two western U.S. newspapers.
I am going to type out some of the articles about De Jong on the next message on this thread.
Jeff. |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 263
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 10:35 pm: |
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PALL MALL GAZETTE: September 25, 1893, P. 8 column 2 -
"THE MISSING MAIDENHEAD LADY."
"DE JONG DECLINES TO GIVE ANY INFORMATION."
"Telegrams from Amsterdam on Saturday state that large sums have been offered by the magistrate of Arnheim and by the ECHO of Amsterdam, for the recovevery of the bodies of Miss Juett, the English lady, and of Miss Schmitz, the Dutch lady who has disappeared since marraige with the prisoner De Jong. The man declines to give any information as to his whereabouts, and procedure on July 6 - 7 and August 30-31. Later telegrams contain startling stories which open a possibility of the case turning out to be as terrible as the Deeming affair. The judicial authorities and police of Amsterdam are doing their utmost to unravel the mystery attching to the disappearance of the two girls. A placard has been despatched to every police station in Holland, giving excellent portraits from photographs of De Jong himself and the two missing ladies, together with exact descriptions of their personal appearance and dress, and by this means, as well as from the inquiries instituted in various directions, some further particulars of the doings of De Jong and hs female companions have been obtained. Neveretheless,
No Trace of Either of the Ladies Has Beem Discovered.
To go back to De Jong's first appearance in Holland with his young English wife, it seems that on June 16, the landlord of the Hotel Sluis, at Arnheim, received a letter signed H. De Jong, taking rooms for himself and his wife, and on the 18th the couple arrived. Mr. Sluis, who had plenty of opportunities of observing his guests, says that Mrs. de Jong was a pretty young woman, who talked gaily and pleasantly with her husband, but became reserved and rather shy whenever strangers were present. This was probably due in great part to her ignorance of Dutch. The relations between the married couple were always of the best, and the manner of one to the other was affectionate. They remained at the hotel until the 24th of June, and when they left De Jong paid his bill in English money. During their stay at Arnheim Mr. and Mrs. De Jong made an excursion to Wageningen, and while they were there De Jong entered into conversation with ah hotel keeper, whom he informed that he was the owner of a factory in England, where he had lived many years, and that he had married his wife after an engagement lasting six years. There is a complete blank as to the doings of Mr. and Mrs. De Jong from June 24 to July 5, but on the latter date they returned to the Hotel Sluis. There they stayed two days. On July 7 they again left the hotel, and took, it appears, the steam tramway which runs to the outlying suburbs, for they were subsequently seen between Renkum and Heelsum. Towards five o'clock De Jong came back alone to the hotel, and told M. Sluis that he had left his wife at the station, where he intended to rejoin her at once, as he had made up his mind to go to Antwerp, his family being there. His boxes were accordingly taken to the station, but the hotel porter who had charge of them says he saw nothing of Mrs. De Jong at the station, and that De Jong, instead of going off by the tram, went into a house of ill-fame. Here, as has become subsequently learned,
He Endeavored to Sell Some Articles of Female Wearing Apparel
for 300 francs. The people at the house refused to give this price, and Mr. De Jong, later on, as the police have sinced learned, sold the clothes at different places. It semmes,in fact, that De
Jong, so far from going to Antwerp, remained some weeks at Arnheim, lodging with his brother, who is in the building trade. During this time he visited Cleves, where, it is said, he sold various articles of jewellery [sic], and in the last week of July he started for Amsterdam, telling his brother that he had obtained a berth as steward on a boat. It should be added that the police have found dresses at pawnshops at Arnheim. some of which belonged to Miss Juett. On August 15, M. Sluis, the hotel keeper, recieved a letter from a Mr. Johnson, who, writing from Liverpool said he was related to De Jong and would be glad of any information regarding the whereabouts of Mrs. De Jong. M. Sluis appears not to have answered the letter, and on August 26 he received the following: -
"Sydney Cottage, North Town, Maidenhead, Berkshire, England.
August 25
Dear Sir. - Will you kindly le me know what you know of Mr. Hendrick De Jong? He married my daughter in June last and told us he was purchasing the hotel from you. We have had no answers to our repeated letters, entreating her to write and let us know how she was getting on, since the beginning of July last. And last Saturday Mr. De Jong came here without my daughter, telling us that he had left her up the country ill. Please let me know at once what you know of him, as we are now getting extremely anxious. -- Yours, &c. Daniel Juett."
"A strange story is told by the driver, stoker, and conductor of the steam tramway at Arnheim, by which Mrs. De Jong went away with her husband on July 7 never to return. They say that on July 6 they saw a lady walking between the rails in front of the engine. The driver put on the brake instantly and the tram stopped in time to save an accident. The lady then walked off into the wood by the side of the road, followed by a gentleman who had been watching her with a smile on his face. They have been confronted with De Jong, and state that they believe him to be the man they saw. The engine driver says the lady seemed to be deliberately keeping in front of the approaching tram, and his impression at the time was that she wished to commit suicide. The disappearance of Miss Schmitz remains as great a mystery as that of Miss Juett. Some people have asserted that they saw her during the first week of September, that is, some time after her supposed disappearance, but the evidence on this point appears open to question. In any case, all her goods and chattels, including her clothing, were sold by De Jong, at Amsterdam. In a box belonging to De Jong, which was seized by the police in a hotel at Amsterdam, was found a spade with a much shortened handled. Another telegram says - The editor of a local paper states that some eight weeks ago he received a visit rom a woman he now believes to be the missing Enblish woman, Miss Juett. He adds that his visitor brought with her some drawings of little value -- probably specimens of her own art -- which she was ansious to sell, it being her intention to employ the proceeds in paying her passage to America. The editor did not purchase any of the drawings. He does not recollect the exact date of the visit.
The preliminary examination of De Jong by the magistrates at Arnheim throws little light on the mystery. A gendarme at Renkiem saw persons believed to be De John and the missing English lady outside an inn on July r, and a few minutes later they had disappeared, having apparently entered the forest. De Johng's brother and sister-in-law were also examined, but said nothing calculated to clear up the mystery." |
Sarah Long
Chief Inspector
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 606
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 7:07 am: |
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I find this all fascinating. I have never heard of this De Jong person, I must read up more as I myself live in Maidenhead. It's sort of interesting with regards to the address as it says "North Town". The only places in Maidenhead like that are North Town Close, North Town Mead, North Town Moor and North Town Road.
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 882
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 8:05 am: |
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Jeff
Here is another article about De Jong:
Daily Northwestern
3 November 1893
THE DE JONG MYSTERY
The Case That Is Troubling The Police of Amsterdam
New York, Nov. 3.
A dispatch from London says: The Dutch police have on hand the solution of one of the most mysterious alleged murder cases of the decade. A young Dutchman, a steward on board one of the steamers plying between Amsterdam and the English ports, is charged with having made away with two girls, one English and the other Dutch, whom he married, and who soon afterward suddenly disappeared.
There are many people both in England and Holland who believe that De Jong, who is in custody in Amsterdam, is the Whitechapel villain known as Jack the Ripper. But in his case no traces of the victims can be discovered, though much of their belongings - their dresses and part of the wedding trousseau of the English girl - have been found and proved to have been sold to the purchasers by De Jong himself. Yet the villain himself keeps up a jaunty air and defies the Dutch magistrate to prove murder against him, saying that his alleged victims are in life and perfectly happy. It has been intimated, indeed, that De Jong may have shipped off his victims to a foreign port for vicious purposes. If he did so, then he could easily prove his innocence of murder. That he does not do so is thought to be present proof of his guilt.
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 265
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 9:43 pm: |
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PALL MALL GAZETTE: September 27, 1893 (P.8, col.2):
"THE MAIDENHEAD MYSTERY"
"THE REPORTED DISCOVERY OF THE BODY"
"Considerable excitement was occasioned in Maidenhead yesterday by the report that the body of Miss Juett, daughter of Mr. Juett, who resides at Maidenhead, had been found in a wood near Arnheim. Mr. Juett is away from the town on business, but Mrs. Juett, on hearing the news, at once consulted her friends with the object of ascertaining whether it would be advisable to telegraph for her husband to return home, with a view to a member of the family going to Holland. The result of the interview, however, was that Mrs. Juett was advised not to take any action until she had heard from the British Consul at Amsterdam. About five o'clock the question of the accuracy of the first message was set at rest by the receipt of the following telegram from Mr. Robinson, the British Consul,"Newspaper
report of finding body of your daughter untrue --
Robinson." Until the receipt of this message, Mrs. Juett appeared to be somewhat distressed, but on receiving the telegram from Mr. Robinson was much relieved, and expressed the hope that her daughter would yet be found safe and well. Mr.Juett, who speaks in high terms of the efforts made by the British Consul, had not up to last evening received any tidings as to her daughter's where-abouts.
DESCRIPTIONS OF THE MISSING WOMEN.
The police description issued by the Dutch authorities requesting information of the missing women and the accused man, describes their personal appearance as follows: - Sarah Ann Juett,
aged twenty-five, middle height, speaks English only. Believed to be wearing a light brown mantle, with dress of the same colour and same material. Carried a red parasol. The woman with whom De Jong contracted a second marriage is described as Maria Sybilla Schmitz, forty robust with a white skirt ribbed with black , and black
hat. She travelled to London with De Jong in the middle of August, 1893, and afterwards returned to Holland and then lived with De Jong at Amsterdam unti the end of Augst, first atht eh Hotel Rotterdam there, and after that at the Hotel van Gelder. She has not been heard of since August 30, 1893. The impression of the Dutch police is that Miss Schmitz came to an untimely end near Laren's Camp, outside Amsterdam,
on August 31. This is the date of the Dutch Queen's birthday celebrations, and late in the evening a great many people went out to Laren's Camp, to see the fire works.
MOANING HEARD BY SEVERAL PEOPLE.
It is alleged that three board school teachers -- A.J.Jansma, C.J.Vos, and W. Van De Brock say that when returning home between ten and eleven o'clock by a path over the hearh from Blaricum to Naarden, they were brought to a stand
by hearing very distinctly a remarkable sound of moaning. They, however, could find nothing. But when they got home they found that Mr. Schilders, their landlord, and his daughter, a girl about fifteen, had heard similar sounds when coming from the camp, and that the girl had clutched the father's arm in fear, saying, "Oh, father, what is that? Is it a human voice?" When the teachers get to school next morning they learned that the principal of the school, Mr. P. Beemsterboer, and his wife, who had been walking a few hundred yards behind them overnight, had also heard the moaning very plainly. Now the police are searching very closely all over the heath and about the village. Two days before this occurrence De Jong and Miss Schmitz were seen together at a music hall, the Verseniging, in Amsterdam, and this, August 28, is the last time that she was seen. De Jong's movements in Dngland are not by any means cleared up as to the dates between August 1 and 16, if he were here; but it is quite clear that he left London for Amsterdam on August 21, a Monday evening. When he went down to Maidenhead on August 19 he distinctly stated to Mr. Juett that he had only just come over. Instead of this he had been staying at Wheeler's Hotel, Devonshire-square,
Bishopsgate-street, with Miss Maria Schmitz as his wife, from August 16."
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 266
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 9:50 pm: |
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THE TIMES (of London): Monday, October 2, 1893
(P.3, col.E)
"The De Jong Case"
Arnheim, September 30.
"The Judicial authorities of this city notify that, with the sanction of the Minister of Justice, the reward offered for the discovery of Miss Juett's body has been increased from 25 to 100 guilders - Hentry [?]" |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 267
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 9:59 pm: |
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THE TIMES (of London): Saturday, October 7, 1893
(P.5, col.E)
"THE DE JONG CASE"
"Amsterdam, Oct. 6"
"The Dutch judicial authorities have commissioned Dr. De Jong, of the Hague Lunatic Asylum, and Dr. Renterghem, of Amsterdam, to bring the man De Jong, who is now in custody in connexion with the disappearance of two young women, under the influence of hypnotism. Although no confession given during an hypnotic
sleep can legally condemn the prisoner or be produced as evidence, it is hoped that De Jong will, when hypnotized, say what has become of the missing women. -- Dalziel."
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 268
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 10:14 pm: |
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THE TIMES (of London): Monday, October 9, 1893
(P. 3, col.f):
"THE MAIDENHEAD MYSTERY.--The Chief of the Criminal Investigation Department has received a letter from Keswick, signed "J. Riddick," representing that De Jong was travelling in the lake district with two ladies in August last. The writer says: -- "I have traced him to a small hotel, from larger ones, close to a wild moor. Up to Ausgust 10 he was travelling with two ladies, one of whom was very ill. I have copies of the signatures in the visitor's book -- ' H. J. de Jong, Schouwenberg, Netherlands' -- in a bold hand, and 'S.M.De Jong, Schouwenberg, Netherlands, Amsterdam.' in a very small foreign hand, with a big flowing of the S all round the word. I noticed that a letter reached Arnhem from Liverpool on August 15, probably posted the 12th, asking for information on Mrs. De Jong, and on the 19th De Jong goes to Maidenhead and bemoans the loss of his wife, who has eloped. Is it possible that Miss Juett was one of the two ladies, and if so has been got rid of here instead of in Holland? At one hotel he brought one lady first, who, he said, was his friend, and was very ansious to get her off before his wife arrived, for whom he made arrangements, and afterwards fetched her. They occupied the best bedroom, and he is said to have had plenty of money." The date -- August 10 -- given in this letter as the day up to which the writer says he traced the parties in the lake district, coincides with the day when, as De Jong himself alleged, Miss Juett disappeared. It is understood that the police are investigating the matter." |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 269
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 10:19 pm: |
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THE TIMES (of London): Tuesday, October 10, 1893
(P.5, col.F)
"THE MAIDENHEAD MYSTERY.--With regard to the letter, signed "Reddick," addressed to the Criminal Investigation Department respecting the Maidenhead mystery, it is now stated that a comparison of dates shows that at the time the tourists referred to in the letter were in the Lake district the prisoner De Jong was in Amsterdam." |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 270
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 10:28 pm: |
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THE TIMES (of London): Saturday, September 25, 1893 (P.3, col F):
"THE DE JONG CASE."
"AMSTERDAM, SEPT. 23."
A reward of 25 fl. has been offered by the magistrate of Arnhem for the discovery of the body of Miss Juett, the young Englishwoman who recently mysteriously disappeared in Holland after her marriage with the Dutchman, De Jong, now in custody. Another reward of 100 fl. is offered by the ECHO of Amsterdam for the discovery of the body of the other missing woman, Schmitz."
"De Jong, on being examined, declined to give any information as to what had become of the two women, and refused to state where he was on July 7 and 8 and on August 30 and 31, about which dates the two women respectively disappeared. --
Reuter." |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 271
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 10:33 pm: |
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Hi all,
Those are the articles I have on the De Jong Case.
I am afraid I do not know what happened in the end - did they actually find the bodies (in fact, were the women killed or turned into "white slaves")?
I apologize that in transcribing them there are any spelling errors (I was copying these from photocopies off a microfilm machine at the 42nd Street Library). Also, the last I transcribed is out of the chronological order - I made a mistake there.
If anyone finds out what happened to the ladies, and to Herr De Jong, please tell me.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2955
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2004 - 10:37 pm: |
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Jeffrey - great stuff! The case of De Jong is definitely an interesting one, and I look forward to reading more about him.
If its alright with you I'll add these posts above to the press reports section, on the Casebook proper.
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 272
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 10:30 pm: |
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Hi Stephen,
By all means post them. I only hope someone will eventually find out and tell me what was the end of the De Jong Case.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 276
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:11 pm: |
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I was looking at the list of victims names in the newspaper items, and can identify one tragedy - that of the unfortunate Barbara Waterhouse. She was a little girl who was murdered by a gruesome monster named W. L. Turner in 1891 in Leeds. Turner may have killed other children. Guy B. H. Long mentions a boy named Johnny Gill killed in Bradford in 1891, suggesting Turner may have killed him too (in GUILTY, OR NOT GUILTY? (London:
Duffield & Co., 1929), p. 147 - 148. Walter Lewis Turner was eventually executed (August 18, 1891) for killing the little girl. See article on "Executions" in HAYDN'S DICTIONARY OF DATES (New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1893), p. 357, column 2.
There is also an account of Turner's crime in the
FAMOUS CRIMES series of volumes which shows that Turner's monstrous behavior did one "better" than
Ian Brady. Myra Hindley was Ian's girlfriend when she helped him torture and kill five children. Turner was aided by his mother (whom he lived with).
Jeff |
Sarah Long
Chief Inspector
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 656
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:34 am: |
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Is there anywhere that anyone know of on the web that would mention De Jong as I can't find anything and I know nothing of this case except that there Maidenhead has something to do with it.
Sarah |
Paul Williams
Sergeant
Username: Wehrwulf
Post Number: 24
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:44 am: |
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Is the Johnny Gill mentioned by Long the same as the John Gill whose murder in Bradford on 8/12/1888 supposedly raised fears that the ripper was at large in Yorkshire? |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 309
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:53 pm: |
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I believe that Guy Long's little reference to Johnny Gill is referring to the Gill murdered in August 1888. I have been thinking about W. L. Turner since I made the post last time. He obviously had worked for some time at his habit, if he may have been suspected of the Gill murder, and was hanged only after killing Barbara Waterhouse three years later. I won't suggest he was the Ripper, but there are all of those odd cases from West Ham which I was posting about on the old Casebook. I looked at two of them in detail (neither looked like they involved Turner), but there were some other children who went missing in the 1880s. As far as I know nobody has seen fit to write a complete study about the Waterhouse Murder. Maybe it's time somebody did.
Jeff |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 310
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 12:58 pm: |
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I believe that Guy Long's little reference to Johnny Gill is referring to the Gill murdered in August 1888. I have been thinking about W. L. Turner since I made the post last time. He obviously had worked for some time at his habit, if he may have been suspected of the Gill murder, and was hanged only after killing Barbara Waterhouse three years later. I won't suggest he was the Ripper, but there are all of those odd cases from West Ham which I was posting about on the old Casebook. I looked at two of them in detail (neither looked like they involved Turner), but there were some other children who went missing in the 1880s. As far as I know nobody has seen fit to write a complete study about the Waterhouse Murder. Maybe it's time somebody did.
Jeff |
Paul Williams
Sergeant
Username: Wehrwulf
Post Number: 25
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 3:29 pm: |
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I have seen a summary of the Waterhouse murder which said that Turner's mother was also charged with the murder after the body was found in a tin trunk wrapped with a shawl that belonged to her. Turner's defence was that a quarryman named Jack had asked him to dispose of the trunk. His mother was sentenced to life imprisonment and Turner was hanged on 18 August 1891, the same day as a man called Thomas Saddler who appears unrelated to the Coles murder suspect. |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2887
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 9:13 am: |
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Here's another Feigenbaum report, from the Daily Republican (Decatur, Illinois)for May 12 1896.
Robert |
Howard Brown
Detective Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 52
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 10:07 am: |
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Mr. Linford...
Thanks very much for placating that clipping. Great work !!!! |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 1309
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 4:59 pm: |
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Yes, thanks for that Robert.
Until now I wasn't aware that one could become an 'author' by killing people.
I obviously missed my vocation by opting to be a writer rather than an 'author'.
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Dan Norder
Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 264
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 6:27 pm: |
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Of the list above, Charles Holland, Carl Feigenbaum, Emil Totterman (aka Carl Nielsen), and Arbie La Bruckman are all mentioned with some details in Wolf Vanderlinden's article about the Carrie Brown murder in the July 2004 issue of Ripper Notes. Most get a page or less of coverage, but La Bruckman is discussed quite extensively.
Dan Norder, editor, Ripper Notes
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Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 574
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:57 am: |
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Anyone know any more about the Wisconsin killings referred to in this article?
Andy S. |
Christopher T George
Chief Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 872
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 12:56 pm: |
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Hi, AP:
The term "author" of the murders appears to have been a period expression. It is also used in the note that was sent to Sir Robert Anderson from Lord Crawford sending to him an unnamed lady who thought she had information about the murderer: "She has or thinks she has a knowledge of the author of the Whitechapel murders." See the article by Stephen Ryder here on the Casebook, "Emily and the Bibliophile: A Possible Source for Macnaghten's Private Information."
All the best
Chris George
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2904
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 1:43 pm: |
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Hi Andy
"Delphos Herald" Sept 1st 1894 :
Robert |
Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 576
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 2:14 pm: |
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Thanks, Robert. I appreciate the background, but I was looking for info on the series of murders in Wisconsin that the original article referred to.
Andy S.
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Christopher T George
Chief Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 873
Registered: 2-2003
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Hi, all
I have no reason to know that Carl Feigenbaum was a relative but there was a Benjamin Feigenbaum who was one of the East End Jewish radicals operating out of the Berner Street club. He is variously shown as the author or translator of a book or pamphlet called "Fun vanen shtamt der mensh?" ["From Where Do People Originate?"] London: Arbayter Fraynd, 1889. 36 pp. [BL:8288.aa.68.(2.); IISH Y Bro An 1425/547], and appears to have translated and edited a publication by Johann Most, "Di eygenthums-bestye." ["The Property Beast"]. Trans. and ed. B. Feigenbaum. London: Arbayter Fraynd, 1888. 31 pp. [Nettlau p. 158; BL:8288.a.67.(3.); IISH Y An 38/31H], as well as being responsible for other radical publications as well. See "The Kate Sharpley Library. Yiddish Anarchist Bibliography."
Best regards
Chris George
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Christopher T George
Chief Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 874
Registered: 2-2003
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More on Benjamin Feigenbaum:
"Benjamin Feigenbaum, one of the pioneers of the Jewish socialist movement and Forward contributor, . . . was raised in a fanatically religious Jewish home. However, he stopped believing in the Jewish faith as a young man and was persecuted by both his family and neighbors. During the 1880s, Feigenbaum left Russia and wandered throughout Europe until he settled for a time in England, where he connected with the group that published one of the earliest Yiddish socialist newspapers, Der Arbayter Fraynd (The Worker's Friend). By the end of the 1890s, he made his way to New York, where he contributed to such esteemed publications as Di Tsukunft and Di Arbayter-Tsaytung before he began working for the Forward. Among Feigenbaum's specialties was battling religious fanaticism and superstition among the Jewish masses." From Forward Looking Back
From elsewhere on the Web, we learn, "Benjamin Feigenbaum (1860-1932) was a true master of anti-religious satire. He used the religious knowledge he received from his chassidic father to propagate socialism." This site shows pages from one of Feigelbaum's publications, "What Brings a Jew to Socialism?" published in London in 1889.
Chris George
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Dan Norder
Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 267
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 6:41 pm: |
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I'm in Wisconsin and have done some looking for mutilation murders like described by Feigenbaum's lawyer but haven't turned anything up yet.
Dan Norder, editor, Ripper Notes
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2919
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 5:51 pm: |
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Here's some more about Feigenbaum.
"New York Times" Apr 28th 1896.
Robert |
C. J Morley
Unregistered guest
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Hi Stephen, everyone. It is nice to see some of the more obscure, and relatively unknown suspects receiving attention. It makes a refreshing change from Maybrick, Druitt and Kominski. In my own book Eliminating The Suspects, which as you know was a limited and privately printed book which came out earlier this year, I briefly covered Carl Feigenbaum, and Emil Totterman. In my upcoming new book Jack The Ripper - Suspects Revealed, I have examined 142 possible Ripper suspects, including many obscure names such as Alaska, Elizabeth Halliday, and Mary Pearcey, and includes my personal sketches of the Ripper, according to eyewitness descriptions. The book is currently with the proof readers, prior to printing, and will be made available shortly. Further details to follow. Best Regards, Christopher J. Morley. |
Dan Norder
Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 282
Registered: 4-2004
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Hi C.J.,
Sorry to post it here, but you don't have an email address listed. Could you contact me via the link in my signature, I'd like to ask you some things about your new book.
Thanks,
Dan Norder, editor, Ripper Notes
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Paul Williams
Sergeant
Username: Wehrwulf
Post Number: 39
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 8:43 am: |
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Per the 1881 census Walter Lewis Turner was living at 15 Saltaire Road, Shipley (near Bradford) Yorkshire |
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