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Chris Scott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Chris
Post Number: 52
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 1:39 pm: |       |
Some miscellaneous pics I have come across which I had not seen before. The first is the Swedish church in Princes Square with whichStride was associated, the second is much how I imagine Diemschutz in his cart (not him I hasten to add - well,not as far as I know!!) and the rest are miscellaneous views
Chris S
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John R. Fogarty
Sergeant
Username: Goryboy
Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 6:09 pm: | |
Great pics, Chris. I'll add a few I took on my last trip to Ripperland.....
This is a typical Whitechapel alley that survives from the Ripper's day. Not sure where this was taken, but maybe an alert Casebook reader can fill in the gaping gaps in my (admittedly) wretched memory.
This is a doorway that opens on to nothing, from the second floor of an old tenement building on Brune Street, near Dorset, Spitalfields.
The old Soup Kitchen for the Jewish Poor, Brune St., Spitalfields
This is a typical street marked off for market stalls, near what was then Middlesex St., now Petticoat Lane.
And here's a mock up of the old Ten Bells Pub, as it might have looked in 1888, from Madame Toussade's.
Cheers,
John e-Rotten
(a.k.a., Goryboy) |
Christian Jaud
Sergeant
Username: Chrisjd
Post Number: 21
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 1:37 am: | |
Hi John,
re your first pic:
The alley (I'm not sure about the name) runs between Whitechapel street and Winthrop street.
The rotten building you can see in the background is the former school at the point where Winthrop str. (now gone) and Bucks row (now Durward str.) meet. It is now renovated into flats. The little bridge in front of the building/ after the alley spans over tube/rail tracks.
regards
Christian
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John R. Fogarty
Sergeant
Username: Goryboy
Post Number: 23
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 8:30 am: | |
Thanks, Christian! I appreciate your help. Except for the canonical murder sites, I really didn't know where I was most of the time. (But that could have had something to do with all the Guinness and Watney's Red Barrel I was inhaling....)
Cheers,
John e-Rotten
(a.k.a., Goryboy) |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 309
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 10:10 am: | |
Hi
I'll be posting quite a few pics I hadn't seen before to which I have just gained access.
Two to start with:
This is Bell lane which ran up to the back of White's Row and Dorset St. Taken in 1912
This is looking down Brushfield St which ran parallel to Dorset to the north. It was in this road that the sighting by Mrs Fiddymont took place.
More to come later
Chris |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 310
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 11:08 am: | |
This is a picture of Artillery Lane which ran from the west of Dorset Street into Bishopsgate
This is part of Backchurch Lane which ran to the west of Berner Street
Date of both unknown |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 311
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 1:53 pm: | |
Here are 3 photos of Buck's Row (Durward Street)
The first one is from the 1930s:
The second was taken in 1972 when the original houses were still standing:
The last was taken in 1982 as the houses from Jack's time were being demolished:
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 312
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 1:56 pm: | |
Two atmospheric pics:
The first is the Chrisp Street market
The second shows the entrance to Frying Pan Alley
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Candy Morgan
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 7:20 pm: | |
Hello all!
Please excuse my stupidity, but I notice that most of the little girls (and a few of the older women as well) seem to be wearing a white apron over their clothing. In the Bell Lane pic there is also a girl wearing a dark colored one, in the center foreground.
Is this some sort of school uniform, or workhouse clothing? Or is it just the fashion of the time? I know Walter Dew said that Ms. Kelly was often seen 'parading about' in a 'clean white apron', but the gist of his statement made me think that white aprons were the exception, rather than the rule, in Whitechapel.
Thanks for any light anyone could shed on this question.
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 313
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:20 pm: | |
Hi candy
Your comments are certainly not stupid!!! What the young girls are wearing is more of a smock than an apron and was standard for young girls- I have a photo of my grandmother wearing the same. I assume it was to protect the frock - since these would have been made of heavy materials and the smock was. presumably, of cotton, it would have been much easier to wash. Bit like a dust cover on an item of furniture.
Some more pics:
Here are two of Hanbury Street I had not seen before.
the first one is the north side of Hanbury Street (including No 29) taken in 1970
and this is the north side at the time of its demolition
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 314
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:21 pm: | |
Here is a picture of Mitre Square taken in the 1930s
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 315
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:26 pm: | |
Old Montague Street 1895, showing the entrance to Easington Buildings
Poplar High Street (date unknown)
Poplar Workhouse (date unknown)
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 316
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:30 pm: | |
Two roads near Dorset Street.
Raven Row
and Sandy Row
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 317
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:36 pm: | |
I think this is one of the evocative pictures of the period and how we imgaine jack's back streets. This is Spital Yard, north of Dorset Street
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 318
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:49 pm: | |
two Pics of St Georges Street at the western end of Ratcliff Highway. It was somewhere off this street that Kelly was alleged to have lodged with Mrs Buki
First one taken in 1885
Second one taken in 1928
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John Savage
Detective Sergeant
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 55
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 8:42 pm: | |
Chris,
Wonderful photos, many thanks for posting them.
I don't know where you find some of these things, but please keep on surprising us.
Regards,
John Savage |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 460
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 9:18 am: | |
Yes Chris, much appreciated. Keep them coming.
Robert |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 319
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 11:40 am: | |
Thanks all for the comments:-)
Here are some pics about the Princess Alice disaster in 1878 in which Stride claimed her husband and children had drowned.
1) The Princess Alice
2) An illusration of the disaster
3) recovering the dead (from the Illustrated London News)
4) the wreck beached at Woolwich
5) Buying the dead in Woolwich Old Cemetery
6) A memorial cross to the dead
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 320
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 11:47 am: | |
The yard at 29 Hanbury Street taken in the 1930s - again I had not seen this one before
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Monty
Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 189
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 12:06 pm: | |
Chris (Jd), Gory,
Chris is right
The passage in Chris's post of Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 6:09 pm: is an Alley named Woods Buildings.
Why, I have no idea.
Both Winthrop st (which is still called Winthrop st)& the Board school are still there....as is the alley.
I think (like Chris mentions) the board school are now residential flats and Winthrop st a private road.
Just confirming Mr Jds work.
PS Re the aporn thing. My Great Auntie still wears her pinny (an apron which covers the chest and ties behind the neck and waist as opposed to just around the waist). A spanking clean one every day. Only takes it off when she goes out somewehere special. I get the impression that the theory is the cleaner your apron the higher your status. I'll ask her.
Monty
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 321
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 1:34 pm: | |
Some pictures of the entrance to George Yard Buildings where Martha Tabram was killed.
1) I know this pic is already on casebook but I have found a better quality version of it
2) A later pic when the building hadbecome part of Toynbee Hall
3) Tabram was found dead on the first floor landing. this pic of the landing was taken in 1972 just before the building was demolished
4) An odd footnote. Part of the doorway was saved when demolished and reerected in a private garden.
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 322
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 1:35 pm: | |
A picture of Leman Street Police Station (date unknown)
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 323
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 1:38 pm: | |
1) Raven Row - the building on the right is the Providence Row Refuge
2) A picture looking along Sandy Row
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Joan O'Liari
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 6:41 pm: | |
Hi Candy: I remember as a little girl in Scotland, that we would wear a "pinafore" or as we called it a peenie. We would sing a song " There goes Jeanie in a nice clean peenie".
This was of course, as Chris says, to keep us clean, and was much easier to wash than a heavy wool or cotton dress. The housewives also wore their aprons for the same reason. Remember, a lot of the laundry was done by hand, or at a local public wash house, (known as the "steamie"), You must be very young!
Joan |
Candy Morgan
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 11:53 am: | |
Hello Chris!
Thank you for clearing up the white apron question. Sometimes it's difficult to see things clearly in those old photographs.
And what wonderful pictures you have! I was really taken aback to see the 1930's Hanbury backyard picture. It seems like time just stopped there. If a murder were to happen in my backyard, I would certainly change things around so it didn't look the same...
Is that the SAME wooden door? It looks it, in comparison to the crime scene pictures (But then again I have no idea when the 'famous' photo was taken... )
Again, thank you so much for sharing. The foggy Spital Yard picture is so very evocative...
~~Candy |
