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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 279
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 5:45 pm: |       |
One abiding problem of using census data is that normally it is only possible to search by name - on occasion it may be desirable to search by address. Each enumerator was given a covering sheet showing in great detail the area he was to cover and I am currently transcribing these which should help with locating specific addresses.
Initially I will transcribe these sheets for the following Parishes:
Bethnal Green: consisting of Bethnal Green East, North and South
Christchurch: consisting of Allhallows Barking, Southwark and Spitalfields
Holy Trinity Minories
Homerton
Liberty of Norton Folgate
Mile End New Town
Mile End Old Town - eastern and western
Ratcliff
Shoreditch - Haggerston, Hoxton Old Town, Hoxton New Town, South Shoreditch
Spitalfields
St Botolph Aldersgate
St Botolph Aldgate
St Botolph Billingsgate
St George in the East - St george North and St John
St Olave Old Jewry
Whitechapel
Whitechapel St Mary - Aldgate, Goodmans Fields, Mile End New Town and Whitechapel Church
As these will be lengthy I will not beposting all here. I will post when any section is finished and if you mail me I will send the section you want.
As an example of the sort of detail in these covering sheets I am posting below a section from the Bethnal Green East extrace. The RG numbers quoted are the Public Record office index number for that section.
Registration District:
BETHNAL GREEN
Sub Registration District
BETHNAL GREEN EAST
Enumeration Districts:
1A RG12/267
Contents:
From and including Victoria Park dairy, Morpeth Road; to boundary in same (stone in garden 6 doors from St Thomas Road) gore Road, to boundary; Refreshment Rooms in Victoria park opposite the "Royal Tavern", The Lodge near Victoria park entrance gates into Sewardstone Road East, both sides of same into Old Ford Road, taking North Side of same as far as St James Road which take, also Bandon Road.
1B RG12/267
Contents as 1a
2 RG12/267
Contents:
Bonner Street, East Side, between Green Street and Old Ford Road, into Green Streetm which take as far as the West Corner of Ames Street, both sides of Ames Street, Hersen place (late Pleasant Place), Tagg Street, Mace Street, Flint Court and Cottages.
3A RG12/267
Contents:
From Ames Street (not including); all the North Side of Green Street as far as Canal Bridge, including all the intermediate streets viz. Sidney Street, Norton Street, Type Street, Harold Street, Alma Road, Derby Place, Cranbrrok Road, Cranbrook Street, Havelock Place, taking all in as far as Canal making that the boundary.
3B RG12/267
Contents as 3a.
4A RG12/268
Contents:
Sewardstone Road (west) both sides as far as Canal and Workhouse, thence into Waterloo Road, which take turning into Bishops Road taking both sides from here to Park Hotel, thence into Approach Road which take as far as Wesleyan Chapel, turning into Albert Road taking same on E side (including Buelah and Waterloo Cottages) as far as the end. Turn back to Globe Road taking same on E side as far as Cyprus Street which take entirely on the N side and on the S side from 32 (inclusive) to the end, turning into Bonner Street which take as far as Royston Street which take on the N side as far as 92 (inclusive)
4B RG12/268
Contents as 4a.
5A RG12/268
Contents:
From the "Crown" Tavern, Old Ford Road which take, to Globe Road on the South Side, and on the North Side from St James Road to Approach Road, turning into same which take as far as Congregational Church, turning into Bonner Street taking same on West Side to Old Ford Road.
From the "Crown" Tavern over Canal taking Grove Road West Side as far as Roman Road, taking same on the North Side to Canal Bridge also the internediate roads as follows: viz. Wennington Road, ashwell Road and Gardners Road.
5B RG12/268
Contents as 5a.
6A RG12/268
Contents:
Take all streets and Roads on the North Side of Roman Road from Grove Road to Boundary mark (not touching the front) that is Ellesmere Rd, Auckland Rd, Uwian (?) Road, Kenilworth Road, Chisenhale road to boundary by Ducketts Canal bridge, then all on the South Side of Old Ford Road as far as Grove Road.
6B RG12/268
Contents as 6a.
7A RG12/269
Contents:
From Duckett Canal bridge in Grove Rd, all the East Side of same to Railway, and on the West Side from the Aberdeen tavern to the Railway. Then Roman Rd on the South Side from Canal bridge to boundary ("Bay Tree") and on the North Side from St Banabus Church to the boundary wall nearly opposite the Bay Tree, likewaise all the intervening Streets and Roads between the Grove Rd and the Parish boundary in the Ansell Rd, that is as follows: viz. Midhurst Rd, Medway Rd, to Ansell Rd, Theydon Rd, Gurnon Rd, Lanfranc Rd, Conyer Street, Burgoyne Rd, Olga Street, Artery Rd and Graham Rd.
7B RG12/269
Contents as 7a.
8A RG12/269
Contents:
All roads and streets between Roman Road on the North, the railway on the South, Grove Road on the East and the Canal on the West (without including the front) that is Lessenden Street, Palm Street, Tottey Street, Cordova Road, Belhaven Street (including Cordings Ter.), Burnside Street and Hamilton Road
8B RG12/269
9 RG12/270
Cambridge Rd both sides from railway as far as Mile End and Whitechapel Roads, including Trinity Alms House(s) beginning at No. 13 West Side passing through to Griggs Buildings through No 62 over to No 35 through No 18 to the Chapel to <illegible> mentioned above West Side to Cleveland St (late Triangle St) to boundary mark on the East side, Faith St, <illegible> & Johns Court also from No 1 to No 11 inclusive on North Side.
10 RG12/270
Contents:
South Side of Green St from Bethnal House Asylum to Globe Rd taking same as far as boundary on the West Side opposite Lansdell Place, likewise James Street as far as the fountain including same crossing over to boundary opposite taking West Side and courts in same then crsoss to St Johns Church taking the vicarage, Victoria Park square and the North Side of Green St as far as Bonner Street.
11 RG12/270
Contents:
Take Globe Rd. East Side from Cyprus St. as far as Green St. also West Side of same turning round by the "Greyhound Tavern" taking in Old Ford Road as far as the East Side of the Green, also Militia Barracks, Sugar Loaf Walk, Burnham Square, Thurlow Place, Chester Place, Chester St., and Helens Place.
12A RG12/270
Contents:
Cyprus Street south Nos. 2 to 30, and Royston Street, Nos 94 to 120, north side, also south side to Bonner Street, taking same on the west side to Green Street, then all the streets between Bonner St. and Glove Rd. viz/ Gauber St., Brierley St., Park St., North Place, North passage, Wharncliffe St., Hunslett St., Hartley St., Lansbury St.
12B RG12/270
Contents as 12a
13A RG12/271
Contents:
Old Ford Rd. from the corner of Russia Lane to the Cambridge Rd., both sides of same from Boundary (corner of Wadeson St. near Bridge) to Railway bridge in Cambridge Rd; Patriot Sq., Peel Grove, Parmiter St., south side of Bishops Rd to Russia lane, which to be taken on the west side, meeting the starting point in Old Ford Rd., with all streets and placeson that side viz. Ernest Place, Alfred Place and Providence Place and Palestine Place in Cambridge Rd.
13B RG12/271
Contents as 13a.
14A RG12/271
Contents:
From Waterloo Road west side to Lark row the east side, of which take to boundary in same then turn back into Russia Lane whichtake on the east side (including the whole of Quinns Square and Buildings) to Old Ford Rd turning into the Approach Road taking same on the north side as far as Bonner Road of which do both sides from the west corner of Approach road, then Albert road on the west side and Bishops road from Albert Road on the west side and Bishops Road from Albert Road to Russia Lane then both sides of Robinson Street.
14B RG12/271
Contents as 14a.
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Detective Sergeant
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 66
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 4:23 pm: | |
hi chris,
are you getting the 1891 index online at all just asking out of geneological curiosity. no need to go into various other methods of obtaining it (cheers)
jp |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 281
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 4:46 pm: | |
Hi Jennifer
What Iam doing for the moment is just posting a note in this thread as each section is done and then folks can mail me if they want a particular section sent to them
Regards
Chris
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Robert Charles Linford
Chief Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 832
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 11:19 am: | |
Hi Chris
Remember the enlargement you did of the fencing in Mitre Square? Is there any chance of finding out whether the house behind that fencing (and linked to the Square by a passageway) was occupied or unoccupied, at least in 1891? Also whether the door facing Mitre Square was the front door or the back?
Robert
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 568
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:03 am: | |
Robert
I will see what i can find out
Chris |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 569
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:06 am: | |
In the census returns, Mitre Street comes under the parish of St James, Dukes Place. I looked up this section and listed the lower numbers (the Aldgate end) of Mitre street to number 24:
Mitre Street
1891 census
No 1 - Empty
No 2
John Quimby/ Schoolmaster / Age 51
Elizabeth A Quimby / Schoolmistress/ Age 50
No 3 - Empty
No 4 - Empty
No 5
George Thomas Clapp/ Clerk / Age 28
Sarah Ann Clapp / Age 44
No 6
George Curtis/ general labourer/ Age 49
Elizabeth Curtis/ Age 47
William Clapp/ Kitchen Porter/ Age 17
Eliza Clapp/ Age 14
Athur Clapp/ Age 8
Emily Clapp/ Age 6
Thomas Jenkins/ Tailor/ Age 37
Mary Ann Jenkins/ Age 79/ Widow
No 7
Henry Johns/ Inspector of Pavements/ Age 47
Elizabeth Johns/ Baker/ Age 40
Leah Elizabeth Johns/ Age 13
Hanry Isaac Johns/ Age 12
Nos 8-9 - Empty
Nos 10-11 - Empty
Nos 12-14 - Empty
No 15
Lewis Harris/ Fruiterer/ Age 30
Rachael Harris/ Age 28
Rose harris/ Age 9
Abraham Harris/ Age 8
Esther Harris/ Age 6
Abigail Harris/ Age 4
Annie Harris/ Age 2
Louisa Laurey/ general Servant/ Age 25
No 16
Lydia Simmons/ Book folder/ Age 35
Joseph Ind/ Coke nut sorter/ Age 35
Annie Ind/ Age 31
Esther Pafaera/ Charwoman/ Age 55
Myer Fox/ Slipper maker/ Age 57
Rose Fox/ Slipper maker/ age 64
Morris Fox/ Slipper maker/ Age 31
No 17
Moss Lewis/ Fruiterer/ Age 49
Rachael Lewis/ Age 35
Nancy Lewis/ Age 9
Solomon Lewis/ Age 7
Jane Lewis/ Age 0
Annie Lewis/ Age 5
Ellen Lynn/ General Servant/ Age 31
No 18
Solomon Joel/ Fruiterer/ Age 52
Ester Joel/ Age 18
Samuel Joel/ Fruiterer/ Age 16
Abraham Joel/ Age 14
Julia Joel/ Age 10
Polly Hall/ general Servant/ Age 16
No 19
Isaac Lyons/ Fruiterer/ Age 68
David Lyons/ Jeweller/ Age 33
Abigail Lyons/ Tailoress/ Age 30
Rose Lyons/ Age 17
Hyman Lyons/ Fruiterer/ Age 23
Nathan Lyons/ Printer-compositor/ Age 21
Lilian Fordham/ Domestic/ Age 15
No 20
Barnett Hart/ Fruiterer/ Age 75
Alexander Hart/ Fruiterer/ Age 28
Esther Isaacs/ Age 34
Solomon Isaacs/ Age 10
Nos 21-23 - Empty
No 24
John Nelson Abraham/ Comm Agent/ Age 41
Jane Abraham/ Age 39
Nancy Abraham/ Age 10
Martha Abraham/ Age 8
Kate Abraham/ Age 4
Sarah Abraham/ Age 10 months
Fanny Hyams/ Age 70
Barney Hyams/ Carman/Age 37
George Hyams/ Waiter/ Age 27
Clara Hyams/ Cigar maker/ Age 22
Mary Pattison/ Domestic/ Age 20
Hope this helps
Chris |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 570
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:27 am: | |
Looked back to 1881 for Mitre Street:
No 1 was large drapery business run by John Lonsdale and employing 24 hands.
No 2: the Quimbys were living there then as in 1891
3,4 and 5 were empty
No 6 was occupied by a Police Constable named James Pragnell and his family.
No 7 was occupied by a police constable named George Arms and his family
8-9 Empty
No 41 was home to a city Police Sergeant named Edward Collen
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 571
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:29 am: | |
A propos the above posts, I had a look for the listings for Mitre square. In 1891 there are only 4 empty warehouses listed. In 1881, the following is the listing for the square:
Mitre Sq 1881
No 1
Nathan Abrahams/ Furrier/ Age 23
Adelaide Abrahams/ Age 19
Solomon Abrahams/ Age 11 days
No 2
Hyam Isaacs/ General dealer/ Age 29
Julia Isaacs/ Age 30
Michael Isaacs/ Age 11
Ada Isaacs/ Age 10
John Isaacs/ Age 7
Lewis Isaacs/Age 4
Elizabeth Steedman/Servant/ Age 41
No 3
John R Smith/ Cabinet maker/ Age 36
Susannah Smith/ Age 35
Kate Smith/ Age 8
Herbert james Smith/ Age 5
Arthur E Smith/ Age 4
Betsy Beaumont/ Age 66
Moritz Myer/ lodger/ Age 51
Leopold Gicht/ Lodger/ Age 74
No 4
Elizabeth Abraham/ Age 58
Woolf Cohen/ Tailor/ Age 38/ Born Poland
Sarah Cohen/ Dressmaker/ Age 23
Hyam Lewis Cohen/ Age 9 days
Sarah Cohen/ Age 24
Mary Ann Walker/ Servant/ Age 50
Nora Rourke/ Servant/ Age 17
Susan Venson/ Servant/ Age 65
No 5
Daniel Whillerage/ Annuitant/ Age 64
Mary Whillerage/ Age 66
Eliza Whillerage/ Stamper/ Age 33
Edward Outhner/ Lodger/ Age 32
Edward Stanley/ Clerk/ Age 23
Lewis Myers/ Confectioner/ Age 32
No 6 - Empty
No 7
Emanuel De Haas/ Bookbinder/ Age 50
Bertha De Haas/ Age 49
Simon De Haas/ Bookbinder/ Age 18
Betsy De Haas/ Teacher/ Age 16
Caroline De Haas/ Teacher/ Age 14
Rachael De Haas/ Age 11
Harriet De Haas/ Age 9
Phoebe Franks/ Annutiant/ Age 45
Sophia van Gelder/ Servant/ Age 35
4 Houses Uninhabited
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Robert Charles Linford
Chief Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 840
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:49 am: | |
Chris, many thanks for that. I was amazed at the age for Clapp, as I'd always pictured him as an elderly, rather deaf man with an aged wife who needed a nurse. Given the age of his wife, though, and with a 17-year-old and a 14-year-old Clapp living next door, do you think 28 might have been an error in the census records?
I'm confused by the whole business, Chris. Foster's plan in Paul Begg's book shows Mr Taylor's shop with three empty houses next to it. Why did he say a house was empty when Clapp was living there?
Robert |
Robert Charles Linford
Chief Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 841
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:58 am: | |
Chris, I sent my last post then saw you'd sent two more. Thanks again. Amazing to think that the whole layout of Mitre Square in '88 was only recently come to pass.
Robert |
Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 572
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 12:26 pm: | |
Hi Robert
here is the part of the entry including the Clapp household- the 28 year entry looks definite.
Chris
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Chris Scott
Chief Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 573
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 12:28 pm: | |
Robert
Typing error on my part
All the children at No 6 in 1891 should have surname Curtis and not Clapp!
Chris |
Robert Charles Linford
Chief Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 843
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 1:25 pm: | |
Thanks, Chris. That was his age, then.
I did wonder because just in the tiny bit of exploring I've done, I've seen one or two wacky things. There was a woman and her daughters in the BPS or adjoining infirmary, in 1881 - according to the ages she was supposed to have given birth at the age of 5 or something daft like that. I assumed she'd lowered her age out of vanity.
Robert |
Scott Nelson
Sergeant
Username: Snelson
Post Number: 35
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 5:53 pm: | |
Chris, several posts above you list the residents of Mitre Square and Mitre Street in the 1891 census. The 70 year-old Fanny Hyams in no. 24 was the mother of the lunatic Hyam Hyams. This was also the former home of Amelia Lewis, the wife of the Mitre Square witness, Joseph Hyam Levy. Amelia's brother, as far as my deductions go, was the fruiterer Moss Lewis, who was recorded at no. 17 (where Amelia also lived at one time.) For anyone interested in the Mitre Street/Square addresses at the time of the murders, see Mark King's article, "Hyam Hyams" on the Dissertations Board. |
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