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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 73
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:08 pm: |       |
I have been going back to the Brooklyn Eagle web
site connected to the Brooklyn Public Library
[http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org]. The two
following items are of interest to us.
First from the EAGLE of Feb. 12, 1896, page 1:
"Several Woman Attacked and Strangled in San
Francisco.
San Francisco, Cal., February 12 -- The police
are inclined to think that there is a stranger in this city whose mania is to equal or probably eclipse the record of London's Jack the Ripper,
who within the course of a year or two murdered
many women. Within the last few days a young girl on Morton street has been strangled to death
by an unknown assassin, and several other women in the same vicinity have been beaten, stabbed and
strangled, in each of the latter cases the assaillant escaping without leaving a trace by which he could be detected.
The night prior to the murder of "Little May
Smith" a man, having the appearance of a thug entered the room of a young girl on Morton street,
who had assumed the name of Lulu Taber. After
inquiring as to the amount of money the girl had,
and receiving a reply favorable to him he became exceedingly rough, tearing the girl's clothes in an endeavor, it is presumed, to rob her. The girl
ordered him out into the street, but he refused to go and again attacked her. Her cries and her
threats to cll the police attracted the attention of those in rooms adjoining. This frightened him and he made a hasty exit."
The other article adds a touch of Dick Francis to
the Casebook subject matter. It is a brief item
from THE EAGLE of July 9, 1896, p. 4:
"JACK THE RIPPER WON>
Freeport, L.I., July 9 -- A match race for one mile best two out of three heats, was trotted yesterday afternoon, at Reservoir park, between
Dr. Edwin Carman's Jack the Ripper and Jesse Conklin's Sam the Plumber, for a purse of $30. Many sportsmen from adjacent villages were present
and saw the race. Dr. Carman's Jack the Ripper won two consecutive heats, his best time being 2:43."
My only question about the second item is why did
Dr. Carman decide to honor Jack by naming a horse
for him? Presumably in the hopes that some good
luck would follow the name: Nobody (officially)
ever caught Jack, so hopefully no horse would ever
catch up to Jack's namesake.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
R.J. Palmer
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rjpalmer
Post Number: 88
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:21 am: | |
Jeff--thanks.
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Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 316
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 4:57 am: | |
Hi Jeff
Jack the Ripper (who was never caught) was always going to beat Sam the Plumber (who probably turned up late).
Robert |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 74
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 8:56 pm: | |
Hi Robert,
Probably right about Sam the Plumber, but imagine some horse owner or racing stable with a set of
horses named "John Wayne Gacy", "Ted Bundy", and
"Charles Manson". A little weird, isn't it?
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 327
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 8:06 am: | |
Hi Jeff
Yes, it is a bit odd. On the other hand, there is a Saddam Hussein on these Boards!
Perhaps it was some reference to the horse "ripping through the field" (in this case, a field of two). Your idea is better, though.
There's also the fact that my old and dilapidated Concise Oxford Dictionary gives "rip" as "worthless horse, screw". "Screw" is given as "vicious, unsound, or worn-out horse". I don't know whether this works over in America, though.
Robert |
Monty
Detective Sergeant
Username: Monty
Post Number: 133
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 12:21 pm: | |
Jeff,
A side track....sorry,
My mate (who, unsurprisingly after you read this story, lives alone) has 2 cats.
One is called Ted Bundy, the other is Peter Sutcliffe.
Come time for their dinners, my mate can be heard shouting across his neighbours yards....
...'TED BUNDY, PETER SUTCLIFFE.....TIME FOR DIN-DINS !!!'
Did I mention my mate lives on his own ??
Monty
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 76
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:43 pm: | |
Hi Robert and Monty,
I have tried to find out more about Dr. Carman
but haven't found anything. The Brooklyn Eagle
is quite informative, and even gave me some
encouragement regarding an idea I have concerning
George Chapman and another killer, but it is very
hard to use. Very slow going.
As for Monty's friend with the cats named for two
killers, a friend of mine has cats named for
murderers (or trial defendants) too.
I found another item in the Brooklyn EAGLE of
August 17, 1896 on page 2.
"MARIE WISNIZOFSKI ASKS PROTECTION AGAINST A LOVER."
"Marie Wisnizofski, a young Polish woman, who says she lives at 18 Spencer street, was a complainant in the Lee avenue police court this morning against John Javrunowski of 24 Devoe street, whom she charge with threatening to do her bodily harm. She was represented by a lawyer, who told Justice Goetting that the young woman had received a postal card from Javrunowski, on which he wrote that she was liable
to be attacked by a Jack the Ripper.
"This man claims that he loves me," said Marie through an interpreter, "and it would perhaps be able for me to return his love had I not promised a young man in Poland eight years
ago that I would be true to him until I returned to my native country. I still love the young man
in Poland and I want the court to protect me from
Javrunowski."
Justice Goetting adjourned the case for one week and Javruynowski ws held for trial."
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 332
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 4:14 pm: | |
Hi Jeff and Monty
Jeff, I see from that last item that people were using his name for their own ends. Out of curiosity, are there any accounts of American parents telling their children "Be good, or Jack the Ripper will get you", as there are over here?
Monty, all your mate needs now is a pet goldfish called Albert.
Robert |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 77
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 27, 2003 - 9:07 pm: | |
Hi Robert,
Isn't it curious that within one decade of the
most fiendishly cruel killings in living memory
the killer's nickname has become acceptable as a
name for a type of brutal male aggressor, or for
a trotting horse.
As for the pet fish named Albert, only if it is
a piranna.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 339
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2003 - 4:43 pm: | |
Hi Jeff
I think there's always been a degree of subconscious hero-worship surrounding Jack. Certainly in Britain the attitude "no Englishman could have done this" has long since disappeared. To tell you the truth, Jeff, I confess I'd feel a bit disappointed if he turned out to be Tumblety!
Do please post anything you find on Dr Carman.
Robert |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 81
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 2:41 pm: | |
Hi Robert,
Well, as of right now all we can say of Jack is
that he was a member of humanity...a terrible,
shocking truth.
I have been looking at the Web site for THE BROOKLYN EAGLE for more on Dr. Edwin Carman.
There is more material, but it demonstrates the
problems of researching a totally forgotten person, on a website that is not as good as it
can be. Also the problems of digging out information from newspapers.
I first crossed the item about the horse by putting the words "Jack the Ripper" into the
search portion of the site for a period from 1895
to 1896. Actually, I was looking for any reference to the story about Robert James Lees
and the Ripper, thinking it would have been carried by the EAGLE within a year of the so-called incident (the Chicago original article was
in April 1895). But the item was not mentioned in
the EAGLE until 1897. Instead, I came across two
articles, one of which was about Dr. Carman's horse. But keep in mind it is from a search under
the name "Jack the Ripper".
So, I went onto the website, this time putting in
the name "Dr.Edwin Carman". I put him in for the
full period from August 1, 1888 to June 1902 (the
EAGLE website only goes up to the month of June
1902 right now). Nothing appears for Carman under
the name "Dr. Edwin Carman". It is really odd,
but that is the case - despite the fact that if the search mechanism should be working and locating at least his name and title in the article about the horse! I tried again under the
name of "Edwin Carman" without his title. Suddenly I found 39 articles with that name. I was up until 4:30 this morning printing them out.
They give a picture of interest, but 1) nothing to
explain his habit of naming his horse, and 2) the
39 articles do not even include the article about
the horse that had his name in it!!
I do not have any information about when he was
born or died. He was married to a woman named
Florence Conklin (daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Platt
Conklin of Freeport, Long Island). The name of his in-laws is odd for two reasons. The first is
the use of a family name for his father-in-law's
first name. The second is that the New York State
Republican Party was controlled for many years by
Senator Roscoe Conkling and his junior Senator
(and protegee) Thomas Collier Platt. In any case,
Florence Conklin married Dr. Edwin Carman. They
had only one infant daughter by February 1902, and
tragically she died after an illness (the obituary
is in the Eagle of February 12, 1902, p. 7). The
infant is Florence M. Conklin. She is buried in
Greenfield Cemetary in Freeport (or in that area),
and so, I suspect, are her parents and grandparents.
Most of the articles deal with social and sporting
items. Dr. Carman and his wife were society leaders in Freeport. The Doctor would be involved
in shooting tournaments, duck shooting, local
amateur baseball (he was elected President of the
South Side Baseball League of Long Island in
March 1901). His wife would be an early enthusiast about the bicycle (the 1890s saw an
international bicycle craze) and both enjoyed
playing in Euchre cardgame tournaments (apparently
for charity). The Doctor was also reported in
various emergency medical situations, treating
badly injured individuals. His mother-in-law was
one of them, being hit by a fouled baseball at a
game on July 25, 1898. He was a public official
too, being Freeport's health officer (his bill
was slashed in the last article from the EAGLE
of March 1, 1902 - several bills to the town for
various pieces of business were cut, so it was
probably an economy drive). One nice piece of
business concerning him was his treatment of a
household suffering from smallpox (which killed one woman). The household was African-American,
which makes his actions (remember this is a century ago) really noteworthy (article August 3,
1901, page 3).
In short, Dr. Carman's life is not going taking
us anywhere (at least from what I have seen of it)
in searching for Jack the Ripper. Nor has the
information explained his weird choice of name for
his fast horse.
But it is still instructive in some ways.
Positively, it reminds us (as we are immersed in
the horrors of the East End of 1888) that we are only looking at a portion of the world, and there
were other things that were nicer. Dr. Carman's
life and career seems to reaffirm humanity - he
helped the unfortunate, he treated the ill, he
enjoyed concerts, charity events, amateur sports
(even winning second prize in a trap shooting
contest on November 27, 1896). In short, his was
a useful life. One regrets the death of his only
child in 1902, and hopes he and his wife managed
to have another child.
Secondly, it is instructive to reassess how we are
examining the various figures in the Whitechapel
tragedies (victims, witnesses, policemen, suspects). Occasionally we step away from them,
out of the muck of 1888, and look briefly at them
as people. They all had lives in which they did
more than move with clockwork monotony about acts
of horror, blood, and doom. The concentration on
the horror, blood, and doom makes us forget this.
Annie Chapman died dreadfully, but she had a family at one point, and there are descendants.
Same with Mary Nichols. Not so with Mary Kelly.
But is Mary Kelly just two horrible photos showing
a body hacked to bits, or wasn't she once an
interesting, even intelligent human being?
Montague Druitt died a suicide, possibly in disgrace with family, friends, and employer. But
he was like the American Dr. Carman - he loved
sports. He did not win a shooting contest, but he
did pretty nicely in that difficult game of cricket. He did dislike the foreign policies of
Otto von Bismarck (at least for a debate once).
Doesn't that say something about Monty? More than
the chance that MacNaughten had private information about Monty?
I am not saying forgive the killer for what he
wrought (how can one forgive Miller's Court?). But
I am trying to find out if there is more to this
subject than just solving a hundred and fifteen
year old mystery. Don't we owe it to everyone
concerned in the tragedy to reaffirm humanity here? To understand what went wrong, and possibly
celebrate what went right.
I hope I find out more about Dr. Carman that is
as good as I have found. I hope we find out more
about them all that is more good (or in the cases
of creeps like Cream and Deeming and Chapman) more
positive than what we have found.
Best wishes, and good hunting.
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 345
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 5:38 pm: | |
Hi Jeff
I couldn't agree more with the sentiments in your post.
Regarding the good doctor, of course the death of a child is appalling, but I imagine to lose a child through illness must produce an especially crushing sense of guilt in the mind of a doctor - irrational but natural.
The website still seems barred to me. Do you know what the illness was, Jeff? Maybe there's a chance that Dr Carman will turn up in connection with charity fundraising concerning the illness, when more of the archive comes online.
Robert |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 82
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 29, 2003 - 7:41 pm: | |
Hi Robert,
This is what the obituary said:
"Florence M. Carman.
Freeport, L.I., February 12 -- After an illness
of many weeks, Florence Muriel, infant daughter and only child of Dr. and Mrs. Edwin Darman, died yesterday afternoon. Funeral services will occur to-morrow evening at the family residence on Fulton street at 8'clock. Interment will be in Greenfield Cemetary at convenience of the family."
No real description of the illness. It was an
era when whooping cough, scarlet fever, even measles that could have been fatal to infants
(not to mention polio, multiple sclerosis, or other killer diseases). Maybe later digging will come up with more information.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 2755
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 9:29 am: | |
Just a note to inform everyone that all Ripper-related articles found in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle are now transcribed, cross-referenced, and on the Casebook at:
http://casebook.org/press_reports/brooklyn_daily_eagle/
Includes many informative articles on Tumblety and the Carrie Brown murder.
Stephen P. Ryder, Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 209
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 9:42 am: | |
Hi, All:
I think the many finds of the name "Jack the Ripper" in American newspapers being made by Jeff Bloomfield, Chris Scott, R. J. Palmer, and others, to apply to bloody crimes in general in the United States shows how widespread the use of the name "Jack the Ripper" had become from 1888 onward. We know that the original Whitechapel crimes were well reported in the American press, and it seems that the name "Jack the Ripper" became quickly a code word for any crime of a bloody and brutal nature, particularly though not always, one involving use of a knife. While, as Jeff says, digging this information up will not necessarily solve the original crimes, it is still important to note how far and wide the name had spread in the months and years following the crimes in London. The term "Jack the Ripper" had become understood as the name for a certain kind of fiend, and is used in much the same way today as we noted in the March issue of Ripperologist when Michael Jackson used it in the February documentary by Granada TV to imply that his affection for children does not involve abuse, when he stated, "Who's Jack the Ripper in the room?"
Best regards
Chris George
North American Editor
Ripperologist |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 347
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 5:41 pm: | |
Hi all
Jeff, re the horse, it may simply have been that the doctor had been ribbed about his black bag, etc.
I think his patients would have welcomed his interest in shooting - a steady hand and an excellent eye being highly desirable in a doctor!
Chris, yes, and obviously some of that was down to the name itself. "Leatherologist"...."Apron Notes"....doesn't have the same ring!
Robert |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 211
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 7:40 pm: | |
Hi, Jeff, Robert, et al.:
It won't tell us a thing about Jack but here's some more about the horseracing at Reservoir Park for comparison with the race featuring Jack the Ripper:
From "Genealogy Tidbits from the South Side Observer"
December 11, 1891
"The slack season for business in Far Rockaway now being at hand, the sports and many others, who during the summer have no time for recreation, are seeking various forms of diversion. A popular one among some of those who own horses, with a reputation of being fast, is the frequent trials of speed possessed by their respective animals. Several races have taken place lately and two more are arranged for. One is a race to come off tomorrow at Reservoir Park, Pearsalls, between Richard Wynn's Banana Boy and Cornelius Craft's bay colt. Terms -two best in three, mile heats to road wagons. Stakes- Thirty large bags of oats. It is expected to be an exciting race. Both horses are considered fast and closely matched. Another trot to take place in a few days will be between Louis Pearsall's Last Chance, Theo. Pettit's Neversweat and Smith Decker's Bullrush. Mile heats, three in five, for a pair of heavy all wool blankets."
How about racing Banana Boy against Jack the Ripper? 
Chris |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 83
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 30, 2003 - 8:29 pm: | |
Hi all,
One only hopes, whomever Banana Boy trotted against, he did not slip up!
Paging Beadlebaum!
Best,
Jeff |
Caroline Anne Morris
Inspector
Username: Caz
Post Number: 170
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 3:41 am: | |
Hi All,
I've often wondered about the origins of 'double event'. It sounds to me like it could possibly have been a horse-racing term. I can only remember reading two instances of this expression being used.
Hi Monty,
Unlike your friend who names his cats after serial killers and lives on his own, I had a pussycat called William up until 1997 when he died of old age. I could always be heard, when I used to call him in for his din-dins, shouting "Willy!"
I've never lived alone.
Love,
Caz
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Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 212
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 8:12 am: | |
Hi, Caz:
You could be right that "Double Event" is a racing term. The novelist Nat Gould, born in Manchester, England, in 1857, spent 11 years in Australia publishing a racing serial called "With the Tide," in the Sydney Referee, which was published in London as The Double Event in 1891, so it's likely that the term was current in 1888 as a racing term. The "double event" of the title is the contest for a single horse to win both the Victoria Racing Club Derby and the Melbourne Cup. The term is also used in The Dolly Dialogues (1894) by English novelist Anthony Hope, aka Sir Anthony Hope Hawkins (1863–1933) though apparently not in a racing context: "It appears that Mrs. Hilary had a bad cold and a cousin up from the country about the same time (she was justly aggrieved at the double event). . ."
All the best
Chris |
Caroline Anne Morris
Inspector
Username: Caz
Post Number: 173
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 7:29 am: | |
Hi Chris,
Thanks for that. I suppose the sender of the Saucy Jacky postcard may have had horses and racing on his mind when he wrote 'double event', when you think of the role Diemschutz and his horse played, possibly sending Jack the Ripper racing off in the direction of Mitre Square. 
My other 'double event' (not used in a racing context) is in Diary of a Nobody, serialised in Punch from May 1888.
From Punch, Feb 9 1889:
'This is to celebrate some good news I have received today.' Lupin replied: 'Hurray, Guv.! And I have some good news, also; a double event, eh?'
Love,
Caz
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 88
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 11:51 pm: | |
Hello All,
Recently, on a companion thread regarding Ripper
movies, I discussed Laird Cregar's other Victorian
thriller film, HANGOVER SQUARE. If you read my
postings, I admitted having made a mistake regarding considering if HANGOVER SQUARE (like THE
LODGER) had a basis in a theory of a mad killer who was a promising composer - and finding out that a possible model named Arthur Goring Thomas
(committed suicide in March 1892) might have been
in mind. Later I learned the film was totally
reset in time (to take into account the Victorian
image of horror that Cregar's brilliant performance in THE LODGER had created with the
public). The story actually was set in the original novel in August 1939. It was an example
of making a guess on flawed or incomplete evidence.
Well, I went to the New York Public Library at
42nd Street this afternoon, and did more research
on Dr. Edwin Carman. If you recall, my earlier
research based on the Brooklyn EAGLE web site had
suggested that Dr. Carman (despite naming his fast
trotting horse for the Whitechapel murderer) seemed to have a nice reputation and an honorable
one too. Again, I jumped the gun.
I spent the afternoon checking the NEW YORK TIMES
on microfilm, after first going through various
Times indices. The following comes out
July 1914 - A Mrs. William Bailey is shot and killed in Dr. Carman's home in Freeport, New York
(in Suffolk County, Long Island). Although suspicion fell on Dr. Carman, witnesses said they
saw a woman do the shooting. Mrs. Edwin Carman
(a.k.a. Florence Conklin Carman) was arrested and
tried for the murder. The first trial ended in
October 1914, with a hung jury. The second trial
in May 1915 ended in her acquittal. I can't relate the story of the evidence yet - but I will
eventually look into it. Interestingly, Mrs. Carman opted to remain in Freeport afterwards, but
she resigned her position as President of the local Suffragette Club.
1922 - Dr. Carman was the victim in a racing track
swindle, which cost him $14,000. Eventually there
was a trial of the alleged swindlers, but Dr. Carman failed to make a key identification on the
witness stand.
1929 - Dr. Carman (who had been practicing in
Long Island for 40 years) was tried and found guilty of malpractice. He was sentenced to two
to four years on probation, and his license taken
away. This was done on the word of his nephew that he would not try to practice again. The
Judge ignored a petition signed by 5,000 residents of Freeport and that part of Long Island to be gentle in sentencing Dr. Carman, but
relied on the nephew's promise. The last article
on Dr. Carmen that I found was in the February
1929 New York Times, when the U.S. District Attorney in Brooklyn announced that plans to
prosecute Dr. Carman for selling illegal drugs to
addicts were being dropped - due to the death of
one witness and the fleeing of another outside the
jurisdiction.
Dr. Carman's nephew mentioned he suffered from
diabetis. Although insulin was known in 1929, it
was not generally used by diabetics. As one of
the side effects of diabetis is it's effects on
one's mental state, there is no way to know if
that is what changed the more likeable 1900 version of Dr. Carman to his post July 1914
version. Certainly it is now evident that there
was a darker side to the man - more than just his
having a horse named for a famous murderer.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 411
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 8:54 am: | |
Hi Jeff
You've ruined my image of Dr Carman! However, there's a lot more about him to come, so I'll wait and see.
I wonder whether the malpractice had anything to do with the drugs. Also, your reference to diabetes makes me wonder if this is what accounted for Florence.
Certainly if he was a crook, he seems to have been a popular crook.
Robert |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 89
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:14 pm: | |
Hi Robert,
The malpractice was due to a pair of operations
on woman (which appear to be abortions). In the
first one (November 1928) the patient died. In
the second, the patient nearly died, required a
second operation to save her life, and then sued
the Doctor. In the meantime the Suffolk County
and New York State authorities began to prepare
cases against Carman, and they came to trial in
January 1929. And, at the same time, there was
that Federal matter about the drug investigation.
I get the impression, whatever the popularity of
Dr. Carman was with the Freeport locals, he was
under surveillance by the government. Interestingly he had once been the county's coroner, but the government interest was probably
long after he stopped being coroner. I would
hazard to guess the turning point is July 1914,
when Mrs. Bailey is murdered in his house, and his
wife (and briefly himself) are suspected. Though
his wife is finally acquitted, that would not stop
the government from taking an interest in his
activities - especially as they involved high stakes racing wagering (that 1923 matter). He may
have lived high on the hog, and had to do illegal
operations, or drug trafficking, to make ends meet. At this point, it is too early to know.
Diabetes might also deal with his wife - it was
a deadly disease, and few knew what to do about it. Think of Montague Druitt's family, which was
plagued by it forty years earlier. By the way,
if in 1929 Carman had been in practice forty years
in Suffolk County, that means he started there
about 1888. I have found nothing about whether he
was originally British or American.
Sorry about destroying your image about the Doctor, but mine was destroyed too.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 413
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 7:34 pm: | |
Hi Jeff
It gets nastier - bungled abortions. As a diabetic, he may well have been suffering eyesight problems by this time. If so, he shouldn't have been performing operations.
Whether or not he did refrain from medicine after the trial, is something I wouldn't like to bet on. If his finances were shaky in the 20s, what must they have been like after the loss of his job, and with the Depression just around the corner?
Robert |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 91
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:11 pm: | |
Hi Robert,
You are right that the Depression was likely to
make his financial plight hopeless. But by October 1929 he was probably under the thumb of
his nephew, who would have been doling out what
cash could be found. In some ways that might have
been a worse fate than if he had gone to prison.
Jeff |
Matti Kurumaa
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
Hello
In some translation books and progams the english
word rip - atleast here in finland - is decribed as a horse. I have always though Jack got his name
somehow linked to the Barber's horses slaughterhouse on Buck's Row - a few meters from where Mary Ann Nicholl's was found ?
Best r
MK |
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