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Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 83
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 12:38 pm: |       |
I really didn't know where to post this, or whether it is of any interest. One thing I have noticed is the amount of people with the same name living in the same area i.e Timothy Donovan, Joseph Barnett, George Hutchinson possibly David Cohen so this may not be the John Kelly involved with Catherine Eddowes but the connection with a Tea warehouse made it worth posting.
The Times
10 November 1888
At the Thames policecourt, John Kelly, 45 was charged with being in the unlawful possession of a quantity of tea, supposed to have been stolen from the London and St. Katharine Dock, James Wall; foreman at the tea warehouse, said on Friday afternoon he saw Kelly in the Tea warehouse and asked him what he was doing there. He replied, "Nothing." Witness felt him and found he had 1 3/4lb. of tea concealed down the legs of his drawers. At the station Kelly acknowledged having stolen the tea from the warehouse, and said he committed the theft because the Dock Company would not give him employment. Mr Montagu Williams sentenced him to one months hard labour. |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 152
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 2:44 pm: | |
Hi, Robert:
Note that in one report on the Eddowes inquest in Pall Mall Gazette 3 October 1888, John Kelly's age is given as 55 years of age, so the man who was known to be Kate Eddowes's companion was at least in this report said to be a whole decade older than the Kelly for whom you found this newspaper report. Of course, it might still have been the same man, but the reported age difference indicates that perhaps it was not the identical individual. Thanks, though, Robert, for bringing this article to our attention. All we can do is keep plugging away, and I think it is valuable to keep our eyes open for new information, as you obviously have been.
All the best
Chris |
Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 84
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 3:33 pm: | |
Hi Chris
I don't think that was his age, It was the house number of the lodging house in Flower and Dean Street. A Times report published in "The Ultimate Sourcebook" hardback page 196 and 197 discribed Kelly as a man of about 40 years of age, of medium height.
All the best
Rob |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 153
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 7:30 pm: | |
Hi, Rob:
Ah, okay, you might have a point. Thanks for clarifying that you think the "55" in the Pall Mall Gazette right up is the house number not Kelly's age.
All the best
Chris |
Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 88
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 4:09 am: | |
Hi Chris
I just looked at the transcript of Eddowe's Inquest from the 'Ultimate Sourcebook,' and it states abit clearer then the 'Pall Mall Gazette' or 'Times' article, that '55' was the Lodging House number.
All the best
Rob |
Caroline Anne Morris
Detective Sergeant
Username: Caz
Post Number: 94
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 4:18 am: | |
If this is the John Kelly, and if he was a regular tea-leaf, he probably gave Kate hot tea too - the stuff found in a tin with her body. If Jack hadn't had a pot to pi** in, he could have had it away for a nice brew to go with the half-inched kidney.
Love,
Caz |
Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 90
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 6:36 pm: | |
Hi Caz
It could explain the handle of Mary Kelly's kettle being melted. He stopped for a brew. And left the kettle on the boil.
Rob |
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