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Zoe
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 11:43 pm: | 
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I am doing an assignment at school and while i have read many books on Jack the Ripper by Rumbelow, Begg, Harrison, Feldman and Edwards i would very much like a female perspective on Jack the Ripper. Does anybody know of books or articles written by female historians. It would be extremly helpful, thanks. |
Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 901
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:21 am: |
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There is, of course, Patricia Cornwell's Jack the Ripper: Case Closed but she makes some fatal errors. Nevertheless, the book could be said to give a "female perspective."
Andy S. |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3697
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:56 am: |
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Plus the fact that Cornwell is no historian and not really an experienced historical researcher (which unfortunately is all too evident in the book).
She is mainly a fiction writer.
Whether or not her book gives a 'female perpective' I cannot say, though.
All the best
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Robert Clack
Chief Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 590
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 11:17 am: |
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There is also the book "City of Dreadful Delight" subtitled Narratives of sexual danger in Late-Victorian London written by Judith R Walkowitz. Theres a chapter about "Jack".
This is what the book has to say about Judith R Walkowitz.
Judith R. Walkowitz is a Professor of History and Director of Women's Studies at The John Hopkins University. She is the author of 'Prostitution and Victorian Society: Women, Class and the State' and has published many articles on the history of feminism and sexuality. She has been active in numerous feminist organisations
So I think you can guess what point of view the book is taking.
Rob |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1587
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 11:37 am: |
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Hi Zoe
I would also recommend City of Dreadful Delight: Narratives of Sexual Danger in Late-Victorian London Judith R. Walkowitz as a book on the topic written from a feminist point of view. Ms. Walkowitz discusses the venereal disease acts in her other title, Prostitution and Victorian Society: Women, Class and the State, and so that has application to the lives of the victims as well.
All my best
Chris
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
See "Jack--The Musical" by Chris George & Erik Sitbon
The Drama of Jack the Ripper Weekend
Charlotte, NC, September 16-18, 2005
http://www.actorssceneunseen.com/ripper.asp
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 4668
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 12:45 pm: |
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Does anyone know whether Kathleen Blake Watkins's articles are available on these Boards? I know she was a journalist, not an historian.
Robert |
Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 903
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 3:29 pm: |
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I, of course, agree with Glen that Patricia Cornwell is no historian. I also don't believe her theory for a moment because it is fundamentally flawed. But this is an easy book to get hold of and it does give a female perspective on the murders. In fact, I'd recommend borrowing from your local library rather than spending your money on it. I didn't even wat to spend my time on it so I borrowed it as an audio book from my library and listened to it while on the road.
Andy S.
(Message edited by Aspallek on July 11, 2005) |
Glenn G. Lauritz Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 3699
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 3:40 pm: |
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Andy,
It's available on audio??? 
All the best
G. Andersson, writer/crime historian
Sweden
The Swedes are the men That Will not be Blamed for Nothing
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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 697
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 3:44 pm: |
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Zoe;
I recommend "Jack The Myth" by A.P.Wolf
She is a member of Casebook and has some interesting threads goin at the moment [ for instance, The Sun Newspaper Reports 1894,naming Thomas Cutbush as the Ripper ]
After A.P., there is also Shirley Harrison and her book, The Diary of JTR. |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2291
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 4:03 pm: |
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Thank you, How.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to remember little old me in my tartan mini-skirt and brandy bottle to hand.
I blush.
Probably the brandy though. |
Andrew Spallek
Chief Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 904
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 4:58 pm: |
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Yes, Glen, it's on audio, both cassette and CD in the unabridged (English).
I forgot all about Harrison -- but I wouldn't say she particularly gives a female perspective.
A.P, it's the initials. We can't tell whether you are male or female!
Andy S. |
AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2293
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 5:55 pm: |
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Andy
Nor can I.
That is why I employ the initials. |
John Savage
Inspector
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 437
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 11:50 am: |
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And let us not forget Jean Overton Fuller and her "Sickert and the Ripper Crimes".
Rgds
John |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 702
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 12:24 pm: |
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...and Susan McNicoll- JTR, Murder,Mystery,and Intrigue 2005
...JTR-Opposing Views by Katie Newton 1990
...and...and, I must be slipping.
Caroline Morris [ along with Seth Linder and Keith Skinner ]--The Inside Story [the Maybrick Diary saga...] |
R.J. Palmer
Chief Inspector
Username: Rjpalmer
Post Number: 651
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 1:10 pm: |
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The Maybrick theory is the most feminist of all the theories; its sub-conscious attraction lies in the claim that Florie Maybrick avenged the murders of innocent women by doing what Scotland Yard failed to do: taking the matter in her own hands and killing the Ripper; she even achieved martyrdom by a world that wrongly assumed her motive was lust and not honor. I can see this as a movie with Meryl Streep as Florie. Of course, Hollywood would have to change the ending, with prisoner L.P. 29 being hanged at Woking Prison, screaming out on the scaffold..."I killed Jack..."
Unless I am very much mistaken, the authoress of the original script was herself probably tapping into and "playing out" her own internal fears and loathings, not too much differently than Emily Bronte.
But to answer the question. "Age of Sex Crime" by Jane Caputi, the only true, dyed-in-the-wool feminist account of the crimes (which, however, only play a co-part in the book) in so much as Dr. Caputi argues the ultimate villain is social inequality between the sexes. Women become victims because society paints them as victims. A fundamental truth: criminals tend to lack imagination; they chose their victims according to the rules of proper etiquette. Irony intended. RP
(Message edited by rjpalmer on July 12, 2005) |
Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 1177
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 1:47 pm: |
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R.J.
I can see this as a movie
Surely not!
Chris Phillips
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R.J. Palmer
Chief Inspector
Username: Rjpalmer
Post Number: 652
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 3:04 pm: |
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Oh, it will happen, Chris. The Diary has survived set-back after set-back, sort of like Ayn Rand's novels, and still has managed a strange popular appeal. It's to the point where it now gets the obligitory mention in documentaries about the case. The thing was twice exposed as a fraud even before it was published, had the High court rule against it, and yet went-on to sit on many public and private bookshelves, had a symposium organized around it, Ripper conventions, etc. etc.
The real question is what quasi-political cabal is behind promoting the Maybrick Diary? The Freemasons or something higher yet?
Ahem.
'Ripperology' isn't about history, of course. It's about the endless manufacture of new suspects. I got a theory that each age has it's own suspect-type that represents it's deepest fears or prejudices. Conspiracy theories (a la Stephen Knight) were big in the 70s, for instance, the same time Hollywood came out with all those conspiracy films like Rollerball and Network and the Watergate Hearings.
The late eighties, early nineties, filled with urban fears, gave us the profiling craze, do-it-yourself pop-psychology, and thus the killer next door: Cohen, Barnett, Hutchinson. You get the drift. Mabybrick was big five years ago because it's post-modern, it blurs the line betwee true "history" and fraud/comic book ficiton.
I supsect that when the film is made we'll not get James, but something true to form: a new culprit, who forges the diary and the Maybrick Will (hint, hint) and even has the audacity to frame-up poor Florie for poisoning! Ripper in Tights with a big S.A. written on his chest. And with a new suspect, we'll need a new provenance. Or rather an old provenance. I see an electrician in your future. RP |
Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 766
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 3:34 pm: |
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Hi R.J.,
Caputi was the name I was trying to think of.
Of course I wouldn't agree that her book is the only "dyed-in-the-wool feminist account of the crimes." A.P. Wolf follows a lot of standard feminist stances in her tome, like the claim that male authors play up rape and sex and the idea that "sex crimes" aren't really related to sex.
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
 Profile  Email  Dissertations  Website
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Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 4:08 pm: |
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R.J.
I supsect that when the film is made we'll not get James, but something true to form: a new culprit, who forges the diary and the Maybrick Will (hint, hint) and even has the audacity to frame-up poor Florie for poisoning!
All I can say is that if this happens, it will reflect badly on everyone involved in Ripper research - the good along with the bad.
But especially those who are ambivalent about the "old diary" nonsense, for whatever reason.
Even on this site, the pronouncement is only that it's "in all likelihood" a hoax ...
If anyone is kidding himself that "no publicity is bad publicity", and thinks there's anything to be blamed by going along with this drivel, I think he's very much mistaken.
Chris Phillips
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2665
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 5:06 pm: |
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"The Maybrick theory is the most feminist of all the theories; its sub-conscious attraction lies in the claim that Florie Maybrick avenged the murders of innocent women by doing what Scotland Yard failed to do: taking the matter in her own hands and killing the Ripper;"
RJ,
i don't know that germaine Greer would agree with that!
Jenni
"By the power of Greyskull - I have the power!"
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Thomas C. Wescott
Inspector
Username: Tom_wescott
Post Number: 401
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 8:09 pm: |
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I wouldn't go so far as to call female Ripperologists 'historians'. Most write with a personal agenda, others are just clueless. Same applies to female historians outside of Ripperology. Coral Kelly is an obvious exception. Caz has an agenda, but she also has a clue, so she's all good.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Dan Norder
Chief Inspector
Username: Dannorder
Post Number: 767
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 8:14 pm: |
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Hi Tom,
You wrote:
"Most write with a personal agenda, others are just clueless. Same applies to female historians outside of Ripperology."
Are you implying that it's any different with males?
Dan Norder, Editor
Ripper Notes: The International Journal for Ripper Studies
Profile Email Dissertations Website
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 4679
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 5:05 am: |
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We definitely need women to explain some of the things concerning the victims. I was told that Kelly wouldn't have worn the pilot coat to protect herself from the rain. Or again, how would Stride have reacted if confronted by Kidney? That sort of thing.
Robert |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2666
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 8:47 am: |
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guys!!
come on now, your starting to sound like, erm, I'm not really sure what.
oh well,
Jenni
"By the power of Greyskull - I have the power!"
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Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1768
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:38 am: |
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I honestly cannot believe this thread.
Monty
Of course this land is dangerous!
All of the animals are capably murderous.
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2669
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:46 am: |
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Monty,
glad its not just me!!
Jenni
"By the power of Greyskull - I have the power!"
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Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 631
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 12:23 pm: |
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Monty and Jen,
I can believe it -- unfortunately. Bad history happens regardless of the sex, nationality or sporting preference of the author. Meanwhile, I am waiting for another screed against that scourge of history snd humanity -- British empiricism!
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2185
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 12:52 pm: |
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Neanderthal man isnt in it !Its the 21st century
Tom...............
Wakey!Wakey! |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1770
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 3:47 am: |
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Don,
Damn right.
Ah, BE syndrome. I know of only one case. An unfortunate illness where insanity is rife yet nuggets of genius can be located if one looks hard enough.
Most interesting.
Dr Monty
Of course this land is dangerous!
All of the animals are capably murderous.
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Zoe
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 4:47 am: |
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Just wanted to say thanks for all your help, J. Walkowitz should be very helpful.
Thanks again
Zoe |
Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz
Post Number: 1952
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 7:32 am: |
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Hi RJ,
Unless I am very much mistaken, the authoress of the original script was herself probably tapping into and "playing out" her own internal fears and loathings, not too much differently than Emily Bronte.
If, by 'the original script', you mean what I think you mean, then it gives me no pleasure to conclude that you are indeed Mr. Very Much-Mistaken. 
Hi Chris P,
If anyone is kidding himself that "no publicity is bad publicity", and thinks there's anything to be blamed [?] by going along with this drivel, I think he's very much mistaken.
I have no idea what you are on about, but I'm glad you don't refer to anyone kidding herself about RJ's predicted film plot, which you describe rather harshly, but with admirable perceptiveness, as 'drivel'.
Hi Tom,
Caz has an agenda, but she also has a clue, so she's all good.
Everyone has an agenda for every single thing they ever do in life. The diary and watch just happen to have been the bees in my bonnet since late 1998, and the buzzing goes on.
Hi Howard,
If gender can ever be sussed from one's writing, then unless I'm Mrs. Very Much-Mistaken, I knew very early on whether or not AP should be sporting a tartan mini-skirt. 
Love,
Caz
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2684
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 7:56 am: |
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Number one, do we have to make everything into a diary thread. That said,
this is one of the weirdest threads ever. RJs feminist post modern perspective on the maybrick theory made my head spin! (no offence RJ!)
And lets not pretend like we don't all know about what this 'film' will be about. we all know.
At least we all think we know thats why none of us dare say it aloud.
Jenni
"Be just and fear not"
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John V. Omlor
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Omlor
Post Number: 1556
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 8:24 am: |
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Hi Jenni,
Just a small point. If you re-read the latest DiTA post (linked below), starting with the paragraph that begins "And please do not doubt that RJ Palmer speaks the truth...", you'll see that saying it aloud causes no great lightning to come crashing down on anyone's head.
Have a good day,
--John
http://casebook.org/cgi-bin/forum/show.cgi?tpc=4469&post=136172#POST136172
(Message edited by omlor on July 26, 2005) |
Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2685
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 8:35 am: |
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See to me John, that is just mentioning it in a round about way. Which we've all been doing.
we know exactly what we're talking about who we know is involved and what the ned product is likely to be but i'm not saying it aloud! |
Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2686
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 8:37 am: |
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ah whatever, i think i misunderstand myself!
point taken john! |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 4729
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 8:47 am: |
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Jenni Pegg, the new Murray Walker. 
Robert |
John V. Omlor
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Omlor
Post Number: 1557
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 8:48 am: |
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Hi Jenni,
'Nuff said. 
--John
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2687
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 8:52 am: |
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Robert,
yeah feels like it too!
Jenni |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 742
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 12:52 pm: |
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.....and how about female researchers? female artists specializing in Ripperology ?
I'd put Nina Thomas and Jane Coram up at the head of the class..They rule. |
Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2708
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 2:55 pm: |
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Hey How,
you keep mentioning Nina, its been a while since I've seen her around, is she ok?
Jenni |
Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 744
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 5:54 pm: |
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....and if I had my way, no one else but me would,Jenni ! She's got it all....
In fact,she's currently chained up [ in a nice way ] in my cellar..fed occasionally...with her hands glued to a keyboard...and continuing to pump out find after find concerning Stephenson.
Yeah, she's fine,Jenni.... |
Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2714
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 6:19 am: |
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How,
tut tut.
Glad she's fine
Jenni |
Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz
Post Number: 1960
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 1:46 pm: |
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Hi Jenni,
And lets not pretend like we don't all know about what this 'film' will be about. we all know.
Well I don't.
What film? About what? Female historians?
Feldman's gone - there ain't no diary film that I know about.
And I know (almost) everything.
Love,
Caz
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Judith A. Stock
Sergeant
Username: Needler
Post Number: 43
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 4:00 pm: |
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Zoe, Most of these responses don't directly address your question, and while interesting, they DO make us question whether or not there is a "feminine" perspective to be examined. Let me qualify....I'm a crabby old woman who has been studying the Ripper mystery since I was 11, and found a copy of Matters in our local library.......... to be exact, that was 48 years ago. While the peripheral issues have been explored ad nauseum, I don't think we are any closer to knowing who the Ripper was than when Matters book came out....nor do I really care! That said, and being a slightly hysterical feminist, I don't think there is a a truly "feminist" or even "feminine" POV to these crimes. Whether it be prostitute or rent boy, ANYONE who goes into dark places to be alone with another....for WHATEVER reason.....might be placing him/herself in harm's way. Conditions often require many to sell the only commodity they possess: themselves; this makes the sellers vulnerable to attacks, and as we have seen over the years, the most fungible of society, the very last to be missed, the desperate, are the ideal victims for human predators. Prostitutes, especially, have long been the targets of serial killers, for all the above reasons. And, as we have seen, Gacy, Dahmer and Nilsen did their fair share of decimating the fringe dwellers of the gay community. I've read Ms Wolf and Ms Caputi, along with Colby-Newton along with the rest already mentioned, and all have things of value to say, although AP seems to have a better take on the general overview of the events. Read 'em all, Zoe, but don't try to box these crimes. They have tendrils leading everywhere and can make you crazy.
Maybe studying Florrie Maybrick would be a better study of the "crimes" against women in the Victorian age; I STILL believe she was prosecuted because she had an affair, in an age when that simply was not done by "decent" women! Now THAT'S a thread!
Cheers to all,
Judy
http://www.casebook.org/2006 |
Sir Robert Anderson
Inspector
Username: Sirrobert
Post Number: 480
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 4:56 pm: |
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"Maybe studying Florrie Maybrick would be a better study of the "crimes" against women in the Victorian age; I STILL believe she was prosecuted because she had an affair, in an age when that simply was not done by "decent" women! Now THAT'S a thread!"
It is an interesting point to discuss. Personally, I happen to believe that she was convicted because a) she had an affair and b) she poisoned Maybrick.
Awhile back I started up a "Florence Maybrick - Guilty as Charged ?" thread.
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2718
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 5:05 pm: |
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Sorry Caz,
it seems that in fact we nearly all know. my mistake
Jenni |
Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 1259
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 5:44 pm: |
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Jenni
Maybe she "only thinks she doesn't know"?
Chris Phillips
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Judith A. Stock
Sergeant
Username: Needler
Post Number: 44
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 3:41 pm: |
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You're right, Sir Robert. I didn't mean to imply there was no thread, just that Florrie's prosecution was more interesting viewed in a "feminist" light than the Ripper crimes. My apologies.
Judy |
Sir Robert Anderson
Inspector
Username: Sirrobert
Post Number: 482
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 5:00 pm: |
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"I didn't mean to imply there was no thread, just that Florrie's prosecution was more interesting viewed in a "feminist" light than the Ripper crimes. My apologies."
No need for an apology, to put it mildly. It's an obscure thread to say the least. Unfortunately it is impossible to discuss the Maybrick case without a certain nasty little journal rearing its head.
Have you read "My Fifteen Lost Years", her memoirs published in 1904 ? To say she had a rough time of it in prison would be putting it mildly. It's always seemed to me that her treatment, after all the public pleas for clemency, indicated that the British government did indeed consider her guilty. They didn't hang her, but they certainly buried her alive.
I suspect that her being female contributed to her conviction, but also saved her life.
Sir Robert
'Tempus Omnia Revelat'
SirRobertAnderson@gmail.com
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Jennifer Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2730
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 5:16 pm: |
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hi everyone,
Robert,
I thought the reason that Maybrick was imprisoned but not hanged was because she had not actually been convicted of anything. Now i don't know where i got that from. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to whether that is correct?
Jenni |
