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Inaki Kamiruaga
Sergeant
Username: Inaki
Post Number: 30
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 6:45 am: | 
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Hi all!
I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me if in 1888 the International Workingmen's Educational Club was also known by the abbreviation IWEC.
I mean if when newspapers, columnists, etc., wrote about the International Workingmen's Educational Club, they just wrote IWEC.
Assuming they did it, I'd also appreciate it if someone could refer me to some evidence of it (newspaper, article, etc.)
Best,
"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out" - Feynman
"You cannot rationally argue out what wasn't rationally argued in." - George Bernard Shaw
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf
Post Number: 2197
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 7:16 am: |
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Inaki
If you look on the 'Elizabeth Stride Timeline' on this Casebook site you will see that the club was referred to simply as 'the club' or 'the IWEC'. |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2043
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 3:07 pm: |
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Inaki,re The International Working Men"s Club
It was quite important as both a meeting place for east end [mostly Jewish]radicals and in terms of its ability to attract quite famous speakers to its Saturday night lectures-speakers such as William Morris,a socialist and pre Raphaelite painter.
Morris now has an entire floor of The Victoria and Albert Museum
showing examples of his work in the craft industry etc.But in 1888 he was a leading mover and shaker in the struggle to get improved working conditions for those such as the sweat shop workers and the girls from Briant and May Matchworks.
The Berner Street Club was one of the leading workers clubs as it also housed the radical "Workers Friend" or Arbeter Freint as it was known as.
The print shop was working busily as usual at the rear of the two story house in Berner Street
when the murder of Liz Stride happened.
Also the radical Jews used to meet at this club prior to taking their demonstrations to The Great Synagogue in Mitre Square.
If you look on the crime reconstruction thread you will see some superb recostructions of the building with
Dutfields Yard alongside by Jane Coram and some scenes of Berner Street itself.
Also on the Art thread for the Victims of White chapel I myself made a painting of the building a year or so ago with how I imagined the club looked on a Saturday Night at 11 or 12 o"clock.-in full swing of dancing and singing!
You need to look at the June thread by going to the top of the present thread and calling up the thread for June 2004.
Best Wishes
Natalie |
Inaki Kamiruaga
Sergeant
Username: Inaki
Post Number: 31
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 3:56 pm: |
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Hi!
Thanks for your information.
AP Wolf,
Yes, I had noticed that, but I wasn't (and still am not) sure whether it was due to historical accuracy or just for convenience purposes.
That's why I requested to be refered to some newspaper, article, etc., of that time.
Natalie,
Wow! That's been a lot of work. I love them! I like drawing and those are very nice paintings. It must have been a lot of work...
Yes, I knew BSC was one of the leading workers clubs. My doubt is whether the International Workingmen's Educational Club was also known by the abbreviation IWEC.
I mean if journalists, local people, etc., also refered to it by the abbreviation IWEC.
Do yo think I could take as a fact that they did it?
(Message edited by inaki on June 15, 2005)
"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out" - Feynman
"You cannot rationally argue out what wasn't rationally argued in." - George Bernard Shaw
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2045
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 4:15 pm: |
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Thanks Inaki!Glad you liked them!
I am not sure about the Berner Street Club and those initials.As AP said what is on the Time Line is probably as much info as you"ll get.I have just looked at W.J. Fishman"s "East London"
and it refers to it simply as The Berner Street Club.
What a fascinating part of the World you live in Inaki!
Best Wishes
Natalie |
Inaki Kamiruaga
Sergeant
Username: Inaki
Post Number: 32
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 5:01 pm: |
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Thanks Natalie!
I'll have to be happy with that.
Have you ever visited the place where I live?
Best,
(Message edited by inaki on June 15, 2005)
"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out" - Feynman
"You cannot rationally argue out what wasn't rationally argued in." - George Bernard Shaw
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2046
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 5:17 pm: |
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No Inaki I havent actually visited it but we once stopped by Bilbao on the train on the way to Spain and I looked over its landscape from the train window.I always think of Picasso"s "Guernica"
when I think of the Basque region.It reminds me of Ireland for some reason.Maybe its History.
Best |
Inaki Kamiruaga
Sergeant
Username: Inaki
Post Number: 33
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 5:36 pm: |
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Hi!
Yes, you are right. The Basque country is very green, hilly, etc. It reminds me of Ireland, too.
Maybe this link can throw some light on that:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1256894.stm
Who knows, but there are some "unique" characteristics in this land.
Best,
"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out" - Feynman
"You cannot rationally argue out what wasn't rationally argued in." - George Bernard Shaw
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 2049
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 6:34 pm: |
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Wow Inaki!That link really stunned me.Over the week end I"ll follow that up.Its brilliant-and hey-what a coincidence! |
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