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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 523
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:04 pm: | 
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I've noticed that there are some people who have the same suspect in mind, but have different views on what the motivation was behind their shared suspect's actions.
As an example, lets use for the sole sake of an example, John Doe and Jack Doe.
John Doe believes that Stephenson was the Ripper, as does Jack.
John believes RDS' motive was to profane the cross and in doing so, attain some supernatural ability known only to him.
Jack doesn't buy that idea. He thinks Stephenson was conscious of his syphilis* and while using an archaic ritual, intended to find a remedy for this incurable [ in 1888 ] affliction.
Both John and Jane also differ on the subsequent affiliation with Victoria Woodhull.
John believes it was due to a religious conversion and perhaps an attempt to atone for his awful crimes.
Jack doesn't. He sees this "conversion" as just another way of latching on to a source of income.,,,and of course, since RDS displays all the signs of an entitled sponger off of others, who better than a woman? Thats what they are good for to him.
Does anyone else have some ideas to share here ? Are there people you know who have a similar suspect in mind, but for an entirely different reason?
Thanks for your time.
* unproven,yet used for the sake of a motive here.
HowBrown
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Maria Giordano
Inspector
Username: Mariag
Post Number: 409
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:15 pm: |
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Hey, How, is Jack a drag queen?
Anyway, my top three-as of this moment and subject to change without notice-- are ULG (Unknown Local Guy), Cutbush and Kosminski/Cohen.
AP has me so interested in THC and of course I suspect him for the same reasons as discussed on the various threads that AP's posted on so I don't have any variance with him. Yet.
Kosminski/Cohen is sort of a variation on ULG really. Of course I differ from at least one supporter of Kosminski in many areas (!!!).
Mags
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Howard Brown
Chief Inspector
Username: Howard
Post Number: 524
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:33 pm: |
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Where the heck did that "Jane" come from ? I meant Jack,Mags...sorry.
Yeah,thats the idea...For example,I know some people lend credence to the Sickert-as-Ripper theory, but differ from other Sickerites for several reasons.
There's a few other "same guy,different why" situations out there in Ripperland....hopefully these people will chip in.
Thanks for spotting that,Mags.
HowBrown
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Donald Souden
Chief Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 601
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 10:45 pm: |
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Howard,
John believes RDS' motive was to profane the cross and in doing so, attain some supernatural ability known only to him.
Jack doesn't buy that idea. He thinks Stephenson was conscious of his syphilis* and while using an archaic ritual, intended to find a remedy for this incurable [ in 1888 ] affliction.
Don doesn't believe RDS was JTR -- period!
Sorry Howie, I couldn't resist.
Don.
"He was so bad at foreign languages he needed subtitles to watch Marcel Marceau."
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2507
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 11:07 am: |
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Like i was just reading in the WS1888J
about Sickertists and Cornwell etc?
Jenni |
Phil Hill
Chief Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 626
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 2:35 pm: |
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It seems to me that the differences you mention are largely about MOTIVE - and this is 9at our present state of knowledge) perceptual.
I would have thought that two Druittists, or two Sickertites, etc etc would agree on the evidence supporting that canidature.
phil |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2516
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 6:53 am: |
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Hey Phil,
It kind depends. Take Sickert - as far as I can remember (correct me if I'm wrong) Cornwell never mentions Joseph Gorman once as support for Walter as Jack. Meanwhile of course one has to note that Knight doesn't mention any dysfunction alleged to have been inflicted on Sickert because that would kind of blow a large hole in the idea that Joe was Walter's son. Equally Joe being Walter's would kind of blow a large hole in Cornwell's dysfunction theory.
But still what you say is quite correct. Motive is subjective anyway, can't really prove it now they're all dead I mean.
Jenni
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Phil Hill
Chief Inspector
Username: Phil
Post Number: 633
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 7:04 am: |
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But Cornwell doesn't make a case AT ALL!!
And Knight's "evidence" has largely been discredited.
There seems to be a large measure of commonality though in all the stuff about Sickert's obsession with the case, etc.
Good point though, and well taken.
Phil |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2520
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 4:38 pm: |
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Phil,
yes, I am not saying Sickert did it (in fact if I were feeling bold I might go as far as to say he didn't. However, I wouldn't want to get into trouble!)
Just thinking How's point was that we can have the same suspect for different reasons. Sickert's a pretty good example of that is all. D'onston too. To some extent it's kinda true with most suspects, but anyway
Cheers
Jenni
ps she must have made a case since it was closed!! |
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