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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 309
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 5:08 pm: |       |
Hi Monty
Sorry my note was a bit brief, but I was in the middle of getting ready for work.
I have had no communication at all with Scott Medine. Were you asking for any particular reason or was it just about you know who.
Rob |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1326
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 7:15 am: | |
Rob,
Dont apologise.
Scott asked me to keep him informed with Casebook issues regarding you know who (Im assuming he has already contacted you regarding this person).
I have been doing this but I have not received any confirmation from him so I was just wondering if he had been in contact with you regarding your fantastic photos.
Thats my reason mate.
Later,
Monty
Im off to see the Psy-chia-taay........just to see if Im de-men-taaay. Kiss my bad self.
-Aaron Kosminski. |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 310
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:27 am: | |
Hi Monty
Scott didn't tell me about this person, some one else told me last year.
Have you make him aware of the recent posts on that persons thread?
Rob |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1329
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:31 am: | |
Rob,
Yes Buddy.
Before I notified him of this thread.
Cheers anyway,
Monty
Im off to see the Psy-chia-taay........just to see if Im de-men-taaay. Kiss my bad self.
-Aaron Kosminski. |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 314
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 4:47 pm: | |
Hi all
Heres a clearer copy of the Commercial Street 1950 photo.
This is Whites Row during the early 40s. That is Commercial Street at the other end with "The Queens Head" Public House on the corner.
This is a close up of "The Queens Head".
A big thank you to The Tower Hamlets Local History Library for supplying me with copies, and also for giving me permission to reproduce them here. For info Tower Hamlet Local History Library own the copyright for these photos and also the one of Winthrop Street in 1910.
Rob |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1148
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:22 pm: | |
A big Thankyou to you too Rob for taking the trouble to arrange all these.They are fascinating.
Cheers Nats |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 315
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 5:40 pm: | |
Thank you Natalie
All the best
Rob |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 323
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 6:04 pm: | |
Some photos I took recently around the area.
South side of Hanbury street, opposite where number 29 stood. This was taken looking westward from Brick Lane.
South side of Hanbury Street again looking eastward from Brick Lane.
Commercial Street looking North from Peabody Buildings. That is the Commercial Tavern on the right which is opposite the old Commercial Street Police Station.
Peabody Buildings
Commercial Street looking South from Christ Church.
Artillery Passage.
And finally Artillery Lane and Passage from Whites Row car park
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3156
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 7:01 pm: | |
Marvellous stuff again, Rob. You are the David Bailey of the Boards.
Robert |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 324
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 12:44 am: | |
Thank You Robert.
Hopefully those who can't visit the area can at least get some idea of what it look like now.
Rob |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1377
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 12:32 pm: | |
Robert,
A little Drinky poos in the Grapeshots?
...then Shooting starzzz....then (burp) thatz Monkz joint on Middlesex streetzzz
Thud !
Monty
Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice
Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice- Jack the Ripper
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 325
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 3:15 pm: | |
Hi Monty
I try not to drink and take pictures unless people want to see pictures of the gutter  .
I believe the Shooting Star (Brick Lane?) has closed, it was all boarded up when I passed last week.
Rob |
Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1378
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 3:59 am: | |
Rob,
The Shooting Star Im on about is in Middlesex St, built on the site of the Jew Shelter.
Monty
Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice
Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice- Jack the Ripper
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1147
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 5:45 am: | |
Rob,
excellent photos again. I have never been to the area and i certainly get a feel for the place from your pics
Cheers
Jenni
"Think things, not words." - O.W. Holmes jr |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 326
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 4:24 pm: | |
Hi Monty
The one I am thinking about in Brick Lane has a similar name, I'll have a look next time I am staggering down there.
I was in the White Hart last Saturday and that has gotten dark and dingy in the eleven years since my first visit, all it needs now is some sawdust and a spittoon.
Hi Jenni
Thank you for your comments, by the way have you seen the Lon Chaney "Phantom of the Opera" film?
Rob |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1153
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 4:54 am: | |
Hi Rob,
no problem. No I haven't seen anyones Phantom of the Opera film, why do you ask?
Jenni
"Think things, not words." - O.W. Holmes jr |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 327
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 2:30 pm: | |
Hi Jenni
The reason I asked is this. Spot the difference
When ever I see the Robert Lees character in "Jack the Ripper", Lon Chaney springs to mind.
Rob
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Don't step on that spider, it might be Lon Chaney.
(Message edited by rclack on October 08, 2004) |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 1155
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 5:47 pm: | |
Rob,
that's pretty scary.
one thing is for sure whenever i see the Robert Lees character in that film it doesn't remind me of Robert Lees.........
....don't tempt me to get started!!
Jenni
ps theres a film based on facts if ever I saw one!
"Think things, not words." - O.W. Holmes jr |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 5:48 pm: | |
Great photos Robert.I really enjoy looking at them always-you capture a sense of Whitechapel"s timelessness and the wear and tear of buildings
that could tell so many strange tales! |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 328
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 6:32 pm: | |
Thank you Natalie.
Jenni, Donald Sutherland gave a very good performance as Robert Lees in "Murder by Decree", although he looked like he wouldn't last the weekend.
And Niall MacGinnis gave a good performance as well in "The Veil" episode "Jack the Ripper". For some reason they changed Lees name to Walter Durst.
All the best
Rob |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 329
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:16 pm: | |
Hi
The quality of these pictures are appalling, but someone may find them interesting. They are from "The People" 2nd and 9th of June 1912.
Nick Connell mentioned them in Ripperana No 21.
They were to illustrate a two part article "Scotland Yard and its Secrets".
This one is Hanbury Street the 'X' is the entrance to No 29.
This is Castle Alley, not sure if the 'X' marks the exact spot.
And the last one is Dorset Street, by that time it was called Duval Street. The 'X' is definately the wrong spot. It is Little Paternoster Row.
Rob |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 330
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 12:59 pm: | |
Just a note. I have compared the Hanbury Street picture with the one in Phillip Sugdens book, and whoever took the 1912 picture, took a picture of the wrong building. The pub on the corner is "The Weavers Arms" which is on the corner with Wilkes Street. So Number 29 would be further along on the same side, but out of shot.
The Hanbury Street photo is the only one with the name of the photographer attached. The name just says 'White' whether this is Stephen White I don't know.
Rob |
Christian Jaud
Detective Sergeant
Username: Chrisjd
Post Number: 107
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 3:04 pm: | |
Robert,
respect man.
Where are you digging them out?
Thank you for sharing this vast amount of pics!!!
Christian
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 331
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 4:03 pm: | |
Hi Christian
I have known about the three above since 97. It is only today that I got of my backside and went up to the newspaper library to get copies.
I dig them out of a variety of places. The three above I read about in "Ripperana". The Winthrop Street one was published in an old issue of "Ripperologist". And some from "The East End, Then and Now" and some other books dealing in local history. Tower Hamlets Local History Library supplied me with copies which I reproduced here. The three recent ones were plain photocopies from the newspaper microfilm at Colindale. To get prints of them where to expensive and I don't think they would have been much better. I have e-mailed customer services for "The People" about trying to find original prints, but I am not holding my breath.
The annoying thing is, out of all the photos I have seen of the East End, there are very few of the murder sites around the time they were committed. The earliest I have seen of Bucks Row was taken 40 years after Mary Nichols was murdered there. And the same for the north side of Dorset Street. 30 years for Hanbury Street. 20 years for Berner Street and about 35 years for Mitre Square.
Hopefully something will turn up one of these days.
I did find another photo of Stephen White. I am waiting to get a photocopy of it early next week. Whether it will be any good to post we will have to wait and see.
All the best
Rob |
Christopher T George
Chief Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 989
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 4:48 pm: | |
Hi Rob
Many thanks for sharing these interesting photographs with us. I agree with you that it is unlikely that The People will be able to produce the original photographs but nonetheless it is worth enquiring.
All my best
Chris
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 332
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 5:40 pm: | |
Thanks Chris
There's nothing to lose in asking. Hopefully there will be an archive somewhere that has copies.
Rob |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1414
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 5:45 pm: | |
Great pix Rob!
Off next w/e 23rd will post some more pix etc later!!!!!
Cheers!!
Suzi |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 333
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 6:31 pm: | |
Hi Suzi
I didn't take the 1912 ones!
Anyway have a good time. I look forward to seeing your pixs
Rob |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 335
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 11:50 am: | |
These four photos were taken in 1912 in and around Spitalfields by Horace Warner. They have nothing to do with Jack but they show even 24 years after 1888 poverty was still a problem and children as always were the first to suffer.
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Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz
Post Number: 1281
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 5:47 am: | |
Many thanks for posting these, Rob.
Truly, heartbreakingly beautiful images.
Love,
Caz
X |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1429
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 5:37 pm: | |
Rob!
Those photos are superb! Thanks so much! Where did you get them?
Thanks again,they are as Caz says... wonderful!
Suzi x
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3220
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2004 - 6:39 pm: | |
I like the last one best. Positive and hopeful.
The second one could almost have been taken outside Kelly's larger window, but there would have had to be a step in the picture.
Robert |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1431
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 1:20 pm: | |
Robert!
I agree! God! that child's face tells more than the odd picture!
My fav is the last one though
suzi x |
Michael Raney
Inspector
Username: Mikey559
Post Number: 434
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 1:51 pm: | |
Robert,
What can I say? Spectacular!
Mikey |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 4:23 pm: | |
Hey-these kids have such spirit!Even the one who looks well pi**ed off having to hawk round a basket of whatever it is.He"s damned if he"ll "smile"for the photographer!And the first two look as though they"re enjoying it up on that wall from where they can see into people"s back yards and maybe pretend to be " king of the castle".Great photos Robert.Maybe you should publish a book of them or try and gather an exhibition together to put on in Whitechapel.The library there could do with some fresh local history pictures.
Natalie |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 341
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 10:42 am: | |
Thanks all,
The photos come from a book called "Spitalfields Nippers," published in the mid seventies. Horace Warner took 240 photos of the area in 1912 of which The Bedford Institute bought 30 of them (don't know where the other 190 are), but I am not sure who owns the photos, might be Hackney Local History Library.
And I thought like Robert, that the second one looked like Millers Court but I compared the windows and they are different.
Rob |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1461
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 3:57 pm: | |
Hi Rob!!
Think its time to get together and find those other.....................
130!!!!!Hmmmm...
Got to be a project here... but hate to say it ...they're probably in someone's attic in a box somewhere!!!
Sadly!!!! ...Never give up though chaps
There's always a car boot sale or a superb church fete that may just....JUST produce the right box!!!! We live in hope 'eh?
Cheers
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 1462
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 3:59 pm: | |
Or failing that the other 190!!!!!!!
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 356
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 5:18 pm: | |
Hi Suzi
Local History Libraries are usually a good place to start. The ones above are in Hackney for some strange reason. But as you say, car boot sales and markets are always worth a browse through, there maybe a hidden gem somewhere.
Rob |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2162
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 6:17 pm: | |
Hi everybody!
Wow! Those photos really tell it all.
As a local historian and member of the board of a local historical society here at home, I know the true value of such contemporary picture material. Sometimes it just says more than words.
Yes, it's true, Robert, the second picture really do look a bit like Miller's Court.
Great stuff, Mr Clack -- again!
All the best
Glenn L Andersson, crime historian
(Message edited by Glenna on October 29, 2004)
"If you don't understand any of my sayings, come to me in private and I shall take you in my German mouth. Alles klar?"
Herr Wolf Lipp, The League of Gentlemen |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 365
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 4:13 pm: | |
This is the south side of Dorset Street from "The Daily Mirror" Monday 8 February 1960.
The building being pointed at was one of Crossinghams Lodging Houses and was the one where George Hutchinson stood outside of.
Sorry about the quality it is from a photocopy of a microfiche copy.
Rob |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3580
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 6:31 pm: | |
Tremendous again, Rob. Marvellous to see something like this.
Robert |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2660
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 11:31 am: | |
Hi all,
Well, since everybosy else are displaying their photos from East End, I thought I'll display some of my own from my visit in February.
They can't in any way measure up to Robert Clack's or anyone elses - and I am a really lousy photographer (and I have a lousy camera as well), but anyway...
As apparent to anyone, the weather was rather dark and rainy.
The passage in Gunthorpe Street -- former George Yard (Tabram's murder scene at the far end of the picture); the left wall in the foreground belongs to the pub White Hart, where Klosowski had his barber shop in the basement.
The Ten Bells and Commercial Street.
Mitre Square. The Eddowes murder site is situated by the flower boxes.
Henrique Street (former Berner Street). The Stride murder site, nowadays a school yard (I think), at the far end of the wall on the right side of the street, close to the yellow house wall.
Entrance to Old Spitalfields Market from Brushfield Street.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971 |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 385
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 2:58 pm: | |
Hi Glenn
Great pictures. I see I have some competition.
I just hope you didn't get soaked taking them.
All the best
Rob |
Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2669
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:05 pm: | |
Hi Rob,
Competition? No way, not in a million years. Especially not considering the technical quality. But thanks for that generous comment indeed.
Soaked? Tell me about it, not to mention a freezing cold wind that nearly made it impossible for me to keep the camera still.
People at the White Hart probably thought that someone had tried to drown me in a barrel.
Thanks again for the nice words.
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971 |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3750
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:25 pm: | |
Very nice photos, Glenn. Thanks for posting them.
Robert |
Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 173
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 11:31 pm: | |
Glenn,
These are truly great photos - thank you so much!
They truly give me a feel for the area.
Bestest,
Lyn |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3755
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 2:13 pm: | |
Hi Rob
Did you ever access this one from the LMA? you probably have, but I'm just checking.
HAMPSTEAD GARDEN SUBURB
Catalogue Ref. ACC/3816
Creator(s):
Garden Suburb Trust, 1904-1906
Hampstead Garden Suburb Trust Limited, 1906-1968
[Access Conditions]
The majority of the archive is available for public consultation, however there is a limited amount of material which contains personal or sensitive information. These records carry a closure period, details of which appear on the list itself.
There is also some material which requires advance notice of consultation. For example, ACC/3816/02/03 consists of lantern slides and glass negatives. These must be viewed in our conservation department which normally requires 48 hours notice. Likewise, ACC/3816/09/01 which consists of audiotapes, needs 48 hours notice as equipment needs to be prepared to access this series.
Photographs
PHOTOGRAPHS OF HAMPSTEAD GARDEN SUBURB; Arranged By Title or Description
FILE - Crispin Street and Duval Street - ref. ACC/3816/PH/01/1479 - date: 19--
Robert |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 386
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 3:47 pm: | |
Hi Robert
I haven't been to the London Metropolitan Archives, so I may not have seen it. I have a feeling it may be this one, which I believe is in at least two collections.
I have got a week of work at the end of the month, so I will add a visit there to my list of things to do.
I will also try and pop into the Tower Hamlets Local History Library and look at the newspaper coverage of Jane Williams murder in 1926, to see if any photos were taken of Duval Street.
All the best
Rob
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Glenn L Andersson
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Glenna
Post Number: 2685
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 3:52 pm: | |
Another great picture, Rob.
What an atmosphere!
Is any of the two streets above Duval Street?
All the best
G, Sweden
"Well, do you... punk?"
Dirty Harry, 1971 |
