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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 324
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 1:40 pm: |       |
1) Wentworth Street (taken 1896)
2) Wheler Street (taken 1912)
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 325
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 5:15 pm: | |
Hi Candy
Thanks for the comments and glad they are of interest
The Spital Yard pic I think is badly exposed rather than foggy. I have adjusted the colour balance to bring out detail of buildings in the background
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Mark Andrew Pardoe
Detective Sergeant
Username: Picapica
Post Number: 98
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 5:56 pm: | |
Whatho all,
Did you notice the graffiti on the wall of George Yard Buildings. It goes to show graffiti certainly was not unusual in this area and puts the Goulston Street artistry in context.
But I bet there are those who will claim the chalked face is a self portrait of Jack which he drew just after he killed Martha  .
Anyway, this is surperb stuff Chris. I love looking at old photos of anywhere but these capture some of the atmosphere of the times.
Cheers, Mark |
David O'Flaherty
Detective Sergeant
Username: Oberlin
Post Number: 110
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 6:48 pm: | |
Chris,
Thanks for posting the picture of Tabram's landing. On another thread, I'd questioned whether or not it was an enclosed structure but this picture seems to show that it was indeed enclosed.
Dave |
John Savage
Detective Sergeant
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 56
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 8:45 pm: | |
Chris,
Again I must compliment you on these pics.
I find your pic: "3) recovering the dead" to be of great interest as it shows heavy lifting tackle on the bows of a barge.
This will be of absolutely no interest to those who are looking for Jack, but in the maritime world I think it is the earliest illustration I have seen of this type of lift.
Regards,
John Savage
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Andrew Spallek
Detective Sergeant
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 55
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 12:53 am: | |
This is going to sound hokey and I know it's just a trick of the light and shadows, but does anyone else see a "skull" right in the middle of the dust cloud in the above picture of the demolition of the North side of Hanbury Street?
Andy
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Monty
Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 192
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 7:18 am: | |
For the genius called Chris,
Excellent work mate...thank you.
Monty
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Kevin Braun
Sergeant
Username: Kbraun
Post Number: 50
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 2:05 pm: | |
Another...thank you.
"4)An odd footnote. Part of the doorway was saved when demolished and reerected in a private garden." How did you discover that little footnote? Great stuff.
Take care,
Kevin
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Christian Jaud
Sergeant
Username: Chrisjd
Post Number: 27
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 11:40 am: | |
Hi Chris (Scott),
thank you for posting the pics from the book "The east end then and now" by Winston G. Ramsey". I think they are phantastic and everyone interested should have seen them.
I really admire the effort you bring up and the time you invest to share all this info with us.
Kevin,
this also answers your question about the footnote re door/private garden: The author mentions that in said book.
I recently took pics of most of these places and as soon as I'll find time I'll post some of them here as well. Will be good to compare. e.g. the place, where George Yard Buildings stood is hardly ever seen in modern pics (the only one here on the casebook shows the archway at the other (wrong) end of Gunthorpe Str.), so I took one of the Wentworth Str. - end showing the modern house which covers the spot of the Tabram murder.
Frying Pan Alley today is a depressing walkway between officeblocks.
The Street with the most "original" atmosphere today is Princelet Str. in my opinion.
Puma Court is phantastic as well.
regards
Christian
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Wolf Vanderlinden
Sergeant
Username: Wolf
Post Number: 31
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 1:48 pm: | |
As Christian has already pointed out these pictures are from Winston G. Ramsey's (editor), book The East End Then and Now. Several months ago there was a discussion on the boards about the photographs from the first edition of Leonard Matters book The Mystery of Jack the Ripper. Someone, I think it may have been Viper, pointed out that there is the possible of copyright infringement if images are placed on the boards from books. As the photographs in Ramsey's book are clearly copyrighted is the placing of these photographs on the boards without any acknowledgement of Ramsey or his book copyright infringement? Does anyone know?
Wolf. |
Kevin Braun
Detective Sergeant
Username: Kbraun
Post Number: 51
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 2:37 pm: | |
Thank you Christian. |
Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 327
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 5:08 pm: | |
Stephen
IN light of the above comments it would be best for the boards if you deleted my posts from this thread and I will not be posting any more
Chris |
Ally
Detective Sergeant
Username: Ally
Post Number: 53
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 5:39 pm: | |
Geez Chris,
People call you genius for months and worship at your feet and one little comment sends you running off? You wouldn't be considering authoring a book would you? You have that kind of a temperment. Chill dude. Have a beer on me and learn to ignore the slings and arrows.
Here's a thought. If people have concerns about something and how it might impact the boards, why don't you email Stephen about it rather than splattering it on the boards. Just a thought.
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Christian Jaud
Sergeant
Username: Chrisjd
Post Number: 28
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 4:29 am: | |
Oh goodness,
that all wasn't the intention of my post. I wasn't thinking of copyright problems at all, I really welcomed the posted pics.
I'm really sorry. Best, my post should be deleted, Wolf, what about yours as well?
Christian
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Chris Scott
Inspector
Username: Chris
Post Number: 328
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 7:38 am: | |
Sorry guys- apologies for a badly worded overnight message above. I phrased things badly and people took the wrong meaning - my fault entirely. When I said "i will not be posting any more", I only meant any more pics from the same source as i would not want to cause any problems to the boards - I certainly did not mean I will not be posting at all!!! All the other usual research stuff will still be coming.
I honestly didn't realise the implication for what I was writing and you don't get rid of me that easily!
Regards to all
Chris |
Christian Jaud
Sergeant
Username: Chrisjd
Post Number: 29
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 7:57 am: | |
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Robert Charles Linford
Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 481
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 9:19 am: | |
Phew! Great news, Chris.
Robert |
Wolf Vanderlinden
Sergeant
Username: Wolf
Post Number: 32
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 3:34 pm: | |
Hmmm, an interesting response from all. I made a simple query about the copyright of images and am asked to delete my question. Interesting.
Wolf. |
Gary Alan Weatherhead
Inspector
Username: Garyw
Post Number: 167
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 3:48 pm: | |
Hello
Glad to hear of the clarification Chris.
I am sure no-one meant any disrespect to you and your valuable contributions Wolfe.
Lets not have anyone feel offended as I'm sure that was not anyones intention.
All The Best
Gary |
Wolf Vanderlinden
Sergeant
Username: Wolf
Post Number: 34
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 3:23 pm: | |
Hi Gary.
I harbour no hard feeling towards anyone here on the boards. I just thought that it was an interesting response to my question.
Wolf. |
Tommy Simpson
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 10:12 am: | |
Remarkable photograph's Chris never seen most of these before,very good work. Did you take the one of the George Yard building landing? If you did could you give us a running commentary on the picture i.e. where were the doors to the dwelling's situated, what are the railings seen in the background, etc,
Tommy |
Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 110
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:09 pm: | |
Hi all
I thought I would post some photos I took on a recent trip to the East End. Some are a lot older but may be of interest.
This building use to be the head quarters of Bethnal Green Police Station where the investigation into Mary Ann Nichols murder began.
This is a close up the entrance to Coomercial Street Police station
Another view of Commercial Street Police Station
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Monty
Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 221
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:11 pm: | |
Robert,
Nice pics.
Did you notice if the Bells was open ?
Monty
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Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 111
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:19 pm: | |
This is Commercial Street looking North. The 'Queens Head' public house is the corner building on the right. 'The Ten Bells' can be seen in the distance.
The Working Lads institue is on the right (where the 'Busters' sign is). Next to the Whitechapel Underground Station.
And finaly two views of Essex Wharf about a year before it was demolished.
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Robert Clack
Detective Sergeant
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 112
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:24 pm: | |
Hi Monty
I was there a bit early. I think it may still be open, unfortuately its got horrible black windows so you can't see in, to see if its open for business. I should be in the area again within the next month so I try and see for sure.
All the best
Rob |
Andrew Spallek
Detective Sergeant
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 78
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 1:26 pm: | |
It was open a couple weeks ago when I was there (if it's the one I'm thinking of). It was under major rennovation a few years ago.
Andy
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Monty
Inspector
Username: Monty
Post Number: 222
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 11:27 am: | |
Rob, Andy,
Yeah, it does have the look of the disused about it.
I last went bout xmas time. I should be in the area next week.
The reason I asked is I was wondering if that Eiorsh tottie was still pint pulling there ?
Monty
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Chantel Kidder
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 6:52 pm: | |
Hi, I would like to know if anyone has a picture os old-time Buck's Row. I am doing a report, and need a picture to complete a clip I am doing. Please and thank you!!! If you can, send it to my e-mail please! |
Chantel Kidder
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 6:52 pm: | |
Hi, I would like to know if anyone has a picture os old-time Buck's Row. I am doing a report, and need a picture to complete a clip I am doing. Please and thank you!!! If you can, send it to my e-mail please! |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 285
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 1:38 pm: | |
Hi all,
Just some photos I took yesterday,
Alderney Road, Tollet Street is first on the left,
Tollet Street, east side from Alderney Road,
Tollet Street, west side from Alderney Road,
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 286
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 1:51 pm: | |
This is the North East corner of Berner Street. These buildings are the the only buildings still standing from 1888,
Whitechapel Road, North side. The Board School in Bucks Row, can be seen in the back ground. And to the far left is the Underground Station and the Working Lads Institute.
Commercial Street looking South,
This photo I took last year, it is all covered up now and may be demolished soon. It is at the Aldgate end of Commercial Road opposite the Fire Station, and was there at the time of the murders. The name on the sign is J. J & S. W. CHALK
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Howard Brown
Sergeant
Username: Howard
Post Number: 41
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 2:51 pm: | |
Thanks a lot for posting these great photos,Robert !!! All the row homes remind me of Philadelphia.
Howard |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 2796
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 3:27 pm: | |
Rob, thanks for posting those.
Robert |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1032
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 4:19 pm: | |
Brilliant photos Robert.I loved the one of Berner Street.I believe the working Mens Education Club
next to Dutfields Yard looked just like the building in your picture[the one NOT painted red].
You really capture something Robert----its as though the buildings are trying to tell us something!
Best Natalie |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 287
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 5:05 pm: | |
Thanks all.
Hi Natalie, it's an identical frontage, but a different roof. Shame about the other building being painted that ghastly red, but at least it's still standing.
I had a good walk around the area yesterday (my feet are killing me) and I had a walk through some different streets that I never walked through before, and there are some some great contemporary buildings hidden down the side streets or sandwiched between some modern buildings. I would have taken some more photos if I hadn't run out of film. Next time I will be better prepared.
All the best
Rob |
Robert W. House
Detective Sergeant
Username: Robhouse
Post Number: 111
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 7:53 pm: | |
Hi Robert.
Excellent, clear photos.
Is there any possibility of you taking some shots of Aaron Kosminski's relatives' addresses at 3 Sion Square and 16 Greenfield St.?
Rob H |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 288
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 3:59 am: | |
Hi Rob H,
I should be in the area again in the next two weeks. I will have a look and see if anything is still there for you.
All the best
Rob C |
John Malcolm
Police Constable
Username: Johnm
Post Number: 9
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 6:04 pm: | |
Rob & Rob,
Sion Square is now gone, but the current Mulberry Street is very close to where it was. The old Mulberry Street now is run together with Plumber's Row, so it's a little tough figuring out exactly where you are after the bell foundry.
John |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 289
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 3:52 am: | |
Thanks John,
I'll have to compare an old map with a new one and try and get my bearings from that.
Rob |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 292
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:07 pm: | |
Hi Rob H, John
The situation is worse than John said. All of the buildings in the area were built within the last 60 years, some a lot more recent. There has been some name changes which have been confusing as well.
Firstly Union Row which ran from the top of Mulberry Street to Union Street and had Sion Square at the Mulberry Street end is now called Mullberry Street and has been extended to Plummer's Row. The old Mulberry Street doesn't exist anymore except for a short section at the Commercial Road end.
This is Union Row (now Mulberry Street) taken from Plummer's Row. Sion Square would have been about half way on the right.
This is what is behind that building. The buildings on Sion Square would probably have covered the car park on the left.
This is Plummer's Row, the start of the new Mullberry Street is towards the end on the right.
This is all that is left of the old Mullberry Street. Now called Weyhill Road
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 293
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:21 pm: | |
Greenfield Street is now called Greenfield Road.
This is Greenfield Street from Commercial Road
This is the western side of Greenfield Street
These are two pictures of Settles Street which runs parallel with Greenfield Street. The buildings may be similar to what was standing in the area at the time.
And this is Fordham Street which runs off Settles Street
Rob |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1064
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:30 pm: | |
Hi Rob,thanks for more great photos.The big Atlantis Art shop is in Plummers Row now.It used to be in Brick Lane.
natalie |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 295
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:39 pm: | |
Hi Natalie,
I wondered what it was, I thought it was some sort of club! I should have taken a closer look.
And finally. No I didn't take these pictures, I'm not that old.
Commercial Street 1950, Duval Street is first left. The building nearest to the left is where the car park is now.
Winthrop Street about 1910. I first saw this picture in an old issue of Ripperologist. I should be getting a clearer photo of Winthop Street in the next couple of weeks. I will post it when I do.
Barbers slaughter yard is I think last building on the left.
A big thanks to Tower Hamlets Local History Library for the pictures. The staff there are very friendly and helpful.
Rob |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 6:00 pm: | |
Thanks for all these Rob.these last two are priceless!I cant see the Board School in Winthrop Street-must be the opposite end!Also Duval Street from Commercial street looks quite tidy and neat 62 years later!
Natalie |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 296
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 6:14 pm: | |
Hi Natalie
I should have said, the picture was taken from Brady Street, so the board school would be more or less to the right of the last building on the the left. The building on the right hand corner was still standing up till about 10 to 12 years ago, and I am gutted that I never took a picture of it. I just didn't think it was important enough at the time. Silly sod I am.
Rob |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1075
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 4:22 am: | |
Never mind Rob,the ones you did take are superb.
Natalie |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 300
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 6:33 pm: | |
Just a correction to the Plummer's Row photo.
The new Mulberry Street is towards the end on the left, not right as I wrote.
And this is a 1894 map of the area with the new layout superimposed on top, which I hope makes it a bit clearer.
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 306
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 5:58 pm: | |
Hi all
Winthrop Street around 1910
Courtesy of Tower Hamlets Local History Library.
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Monty
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Monty
Post Number: 1320
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 3:32 am: | |
Rob,
Have you been intouch with Scott M?
Monty
PS top pics
Im off to see the Psy-chia-taay........just to see if Im de-men-taaay. Kiss my bad self.
-Aaron Kosminski. |
Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 307
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 3:42 am: | |
Hi Monty
No, I haven't been in touch with Scott.
Rob |
