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Jerry Maynard
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 7:29 pm: |       |
This is just an idea and I admit I need more research but I am working on a new theory. I would like to know if anyone knows about any possible connection between R. D'Onston any of the other suspects. Im particularly interested in possible connections (letters, living close by,
same social circles etc) with Kosminski, Tumblety
, and Druitt. Does any one know if Donston had any
vistors during his stay at the London Hospital?
Has any of his occult aquaintances ever consdered
as a JTR suspect. I appreciate any info anyone has. I would like to see if this theory im thinking of might hold water. Thanks |
David Knott
Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 37
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 5:27 am: | |
Hi Jerry,
I'm not aware of any connections between other suspects and D'Onston ... except of course his own suspect Morgan Davies. Investigating his occult acquaintances is an excellent idea however. I firmly believe that D'Onston was a romantic Jacobite - as were most occultists, magicians, Templars and Scottish Rites masons at the time. My particular reason for believing this, apart from the circles he moved in, was his use of the forename Roslyn. Adopting famous Scottish names in this manner was quite a common practice amongst Jacobites at this time, for example S L Mathers, magician and co-founder of the Golden Dawn adopted the name MacGregor.
What is interesting is that the Jacobites, who believed in a sacred and divine bloodline, may have had reason to despise Sir Charles Warren, who had previously led a Hanoverian sponsored excavation under Temple Mount and may have obtained religious artefacts that the Templars etc. would have believed to be rightfully Stuart.
Also, 1888 was the bicentenary of the Stuarts being deposed. The Order of the White Rose had planned a Stuart exhibition in London, but this was undermined by Hanoverian agents, so some of the more fanatical members might have felt the need to express their anger with an exhibition of their own. The leader of the White Rose was a Templar, Lord Ashburnham, who was known to have got involved in some crazy schemes in the name of Jacobitism. It is known that D'Onston visited Brighton before he went to Whitechapel, and this is not far from Ashburnham's residence. I would love to be able to prove a link between those two.
Anyway, good luck with your research - I strongly believe that D'Onston was involved but that he may not have been acting alone.
David |
John Savage
Inspector
Username: Johnsavage
Post Number: 182
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:32 am: | |
Hi Jerry,
Lewis Carroll has been suggested as a possible suspect and may have met Donston.
As you will know Donston was born in Charles street Hull, just around the corner was Charlotte Street were Carroll's grandparents lived, and it seems he visited them there on many occassions. Also a relative of these grandparents called Lutwidge worked for H.M. Customs at Hull.
Not much to go on I admit, but it is all I can offer.
Best Regards
John Savage |
David Knott
Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 38
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 12:40 pm: | |
Jerry,
If I'm right about the reasons for D'Onston using the name Roslyn, then how about this for a link. Walter Sickert's mentor Whistler was a member of the Order of the White Rose.
I don't think for a second that Sickert and D'Onston were in it together, but there's an outside chance that Sickert's tale, which is essentially anti-Hanoverian, emanated from Whistler.
David |
Stephen P. Ryder
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 3072
Registered: 10-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 1:09 pm: | |
There's a link between Sickert and Donston via the publisher Grant Richards. He was a close acquaintance of Sickert if I remember correctly (see: Memories of a Misspent Youth by G. Richards), and Richards was also Donston's publisher. According to Melvin Harris (again from memory) Richards was also the last person to see Donston alive.
Stephen P. Ryder, Exec. Editor
Casebook: Jack the Ripper |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 343
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 9:16 pm: | |
Although it is a questionable book, the Lewis Carroll is the Ripper volume LIGHT HEARTED FRIEND had a bit of information that Carroll (in his normal role of Rev. Dodgson at Oxford) may have once had a visit from Druitt. There was a record of him meeting a visitor with a name like Monty's in the late 1870s.
Jeff |
Jerry Maynard
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2004 - 9:03 pm: | |
I want to say thanks everyone for the info you gave. The theory im working out is that Donston
had planned the murders but ordered someone else to do it. To me, Donston appears to be type of evil person that manipulate or brainwash others kill. Doesnt he remind anyone of Charles Manson,
Jim Jones, and David Koresh? The type of person to
control others. He is very much into the occult
and alot of these cults or cult leaders can make weaker minded people kill themselves or others. He
did seem to have some control over Mabel Collins and tried to influence others who JTR is. It does not seem far fetched at all he could somehow have
one of the other suspects (Im looking into all the suspects but im thinking Druitt and Kosminski
because they seem to be easily controled by Donston). He could have told him/them where, when
and how to kill. He may have even assisted them
(two men spotted at the Stride murder).
Well anyway thats my idea. Again thanks for your help |
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