Joseph Barnett number one suspect?.

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Author Message   Sarah Long Detective Sergeant Username: Sarah Post Number: 132 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 6:02 am:        Leanne, I agree with what you are saying but I am still curious as to how there first meeting may have gone. Sarah   Leanne Perry Chief Inspector Username: Leanne Post Number: 953 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 6:23 am:        G'day Sarah, Well that's where your fiction is going to have to come into this, because no one will ever know! LEANNE   Sarah Long Detective Sergeant Username: Sarah Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 7:38 am:        Leanne, Hmmm, my vain attempt at using other people's ideas has failed. Oh darn!! I'm having ideas. I don't think it's going to matter to much though in this story but I have to form some vague idea. I keep thinking about how I'm putting Mary across and she keeps coming across as a materialistic girl who just uses Joe. This is probably true but I don't want to make her out to be the bad guy. It's from Joe's point of view and he's coming across as pretty pathetic and obsessed with her I can say!! Haven't written much so far but I already know how Kate's murder comes about. Sarah   Monty Inspector Username: Monty Post Number: 423 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:12 am:        Sarah, What do you mean by "It would be obvious if someone was splashing out in there"? Buying the rounds....its the first thing you ladies notice. Monty   Sarah Long Detective Sergeant Username: Sarah Post Number: 139 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:53 am:        Monty, Ok, first of all I've never paid any attention to how much other men were spending anywhere and secondly, it says they met on Commercial Street (Opps I said Road before). It says right here on the casebook :- "Good Friday, April 8, 1887: Joseph Barnett meets Mary Jane Kelly for the first time in Commercial Street. He takes her for a drink and arranges to meet her the following day. At their second meeting they arrange to live together." Where does it say that they were in a pub? Sarah   Monty Inspector Username: Monty Post Number: 426 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:58 am:        Sarah, So they went for a milkshake ? Interesting, he picks her up in Commercial st. If I tried that I'd have copped a.....unless she was on duty. You never pay much attention to how much men spend ? My God, you really do rely on a good sense of humour !! Monty   Sarah Long Detective Sergeant Username: Sarah Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:03 pm:        Monty, I've never thought to pay any attention to how much men spend? I just wanted to point out that they didn't meet in a pub, they were on the street, so why would Mary pursue Joe on the street? Sarah P.S. Stop trying to post faster than me.   Monty Inspector Username: Monty Post Number: 428 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:08 pm:        Sarah, oh young innocent Sarah !! Yes, you are right. Joe picked Mary up on the street. They then went for a drink. Do you think Ms Kelly would be paying ? Nah, neither do I. They were there long enough to decide that they want to live together....how long do you suppose that would have taken? You should pay attention...how are you going to bag that Millionaire ? Monty PS Do try and keep up !!   Sarah Long Detective Sergeant Username: Sarah Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:13 pm:        Monty poor old Monty, Actually, they decided to meet up again the next day and it was then that they decided to live together. Ok, maybe Mary noticed that Joe had a bit of money once in the pub, but what I was asking was how they got in there in the first place is Joe wasn't looking for a prostitute? Sarah   Monty Inspector Username: Monty Post Number: 431 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:22 pm:        My dear lady, Sarah, What, you got the book with you or something ? OK, the next day then. It just seems odd that you agree to shack up with someone you had only met the day before. Unless they knew each other prior to that. If so then why lie ? Monty   Sarah Long Detective Sergeant Username: Sarah Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:27 pm:        Monty, He had obviously taken a shine to her and she had the choice of going to live with a man with whom could look after her or stay on the streets. It's not like it is now. Back then people would move in with each other not long after knowing each other, although I must admit that one day is not long even then. I don't think they knew each other before though. Sarah   Monty Inspector Username: Monty Post Number: 433 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:31 pm:        Sarah, But we are talking Whitechapel here. Everyone is suspcious of those they dont know. Monty...who is leaving you now cos he has to prepare for an IUC...in other words....WORK !!   Leanne Perry Chief Inspector Username: Leanne Post Number: 954 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 4:07 pm:        G'day Sarah, You're on the right track here! You're writing a fiction novel that tries to stay close to fact. You should point that out at the begining of your book. No one will ever be able to know the facts 100%, because no one was there with a tape recorder. Hopefully you'll be writing a movie script one day! That's what I liked about 'From Hell'. It never claimed to be fact! LEANNE (Message edited by Leanne on November 27, 2003)   Sarah Long Inspector Username: Sarah Post Number: 151 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 4:35 am:        Leanne, Yes that is true. I'm trying to write the fiction around the facts. I'm doing a Patricia Cornwell in a way, making Joe fit in with the facts and evidence, however I'm not saying THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. Thankfully, I've always been more interested in writing fiction and so I won't be doing a Patricia Cornwell and suddenly write a book and claim that I have solved it - CASE CLOSED!! Sarah   Sarah Long Inspector Username: Sarah Post Number: 153 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 4:40 am:        Monty, Actually, I think they were more suspicious of people who weren't from around there. Why would someone who was a bit more upper class want to go into Whitechapel unless they had a death wish. Sarah   Leanne Perry Chief Inspector Username: Leanne Post Number: 958 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 7:26 am:        G'day Sarah, Patricia Cornwell wrote a book closely looking at her suspect, but failed to study the Ripper case enough to know that most, if not all, Ripper letters were hoaxed. Sickert may have been so intrigued by the case, that he did hoax a letter or two. Artists are weird people! You are doing the right thing by studying the case first! LEANNE   Leanne Perry Chief Inspector Username: Leanne Post Number: 959 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 7:33 am:        (Message edited by Leanne on November 28, 2003)   Sarah Long Inspector Username: Sarah Post Number: 160 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 7:37 am:        Leanne, If in doubt, post it twice!! There's something I'm puzzled about to do with Bruce Paley's book. He suggests that Joe wrote some of the letters. Personally, I think that is Joe was the killer he wasn't trying to get fame or anything, just the woman he loved, so I don't see why he would have written any of them. Sarah   Robert Charles Linford Assistant Commissioner Username: Robert Post Number: 1413 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 7:47 am:        Hi Sarah If Paley was right about Joe's motives - to keep Mary off the streets - then it would have made sense for Joe to write letters to the police, Press etc, wouldn't it? All the more scary for Mary! I myself don't think Paley was right, but the letter-writing seems to hang well with the theory. What doesn't hang well with the theory, is that Mary never personally received any letters. Robert   Leanne Perry Chief Inspector Username: Leanne Post Number: 960 Registered: 2-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 7:54 am:        G'day Sarah, What happened was: I typed my message, previewed and posted it, then went to make a cup of coffee, came back and forgot that I'd already posted it! So I edited the 2nd one and posted a blank! Yeah I disagree with that belief of Paley's about the letters too! LEANNE   Sarah Long Inspector Username: Sarah Post Number: 162 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 9:27 am:        Maybe he sent the lusk letter because he saw how the fake letters scared Mary so he thought that by sending his own with a kidney enclosed would scare her more. The thing I want to know is, if Joe was the Ripper, what did he do with the other body parts he had taken from the other bodies? Sarah (Message edited by sarah on November 28, 2003)   Monty Inspector Username: Monty Post Number: 435 Registered: 3-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:40 am:        Sarah, Actually, I think they were more suspicious of people who weren't from around there. Why would someone who was a bit more upper class want to go into Whitechapel unless they had a death wish. Slumming Sarah, slumming !! Monty   Sarah Long Inspector Username: Sarah Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 12:23 pm:        Monty, Well if that's what they were into. Sarah