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Leanne Perry
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Leanne
Post Number: 1739
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 5:53 pm: | 
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G'day,
Julian Rosenthal just emailed me from London, (where he now lives), and told me about an article that was in London's 'Daily Mail' yesterday on page 18 titled: 'Jack's Ancestor'.
It's about someone who believe's his ancestor was Jack the Ripper. His ancestor was Sir John Williams, who was obstetrician to Queen Victoria's youngest daughter. Jules asked me if anyone on Casebook has mentioned this yet. I'll tell him I just did and see if there's any response.
LEANNE |
Robert Clack
Chief Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 545
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 5:58 pm: |
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Hi Leanne,
Check out the Books and media threads. under Non Fiction, there's a book about to be released called 'Uncle Jack'. There is a discussion there about Sir John William.
Rob |
Harriet Alice Mackenzie Larkins
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:51 pm: |
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Hey,
I just saw an interview with Tony Williams (great nephew of Sir John Williams) on television.
He'd found a diary (where have I heard that before?) and a knife when he was researching his great uncle. Sounds quite insignificant but there are a few other things that link him in to the Whitechapel murders.
From what he said in the interview, I think that Sir John Williams is worthy of further investigation although I think the evidence on him so far sounds quite wooly.
- Harriet |
Amanda C
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 8:05 am: |
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I think this new book Uncle Jack is amazing, uncovering new information with evidence linking the victims to John Williams - seems very convincing to me. What will we all do if the mystery is solved? |
Horace Kelly
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 5:44 am: |
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I just read it. Don't waste your time. His evidence is less than circumstantial. Julian Clary is a more likely suspect than Sir John Williams. I felt so cheated after reading this nonsense I demanded, and received, my money back (from the O2 Centre, West Hampstead).} |
Martyn Ellis
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 9:09 am: |
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It took me just two hours to read the book 'Uncle Jack' Once you have eliminated the mostly irrelevant supporting 'evidence' that pads out the book, you get several unproved assertions which in no way end the mystery. The 'evidence' did not convince me that John Williams should be placed on the short list of potential perpetrators. The links between Williams and Mary Kelly are highly suspect and any further examination of the knife and slides will have very little significance. Money not well spent! |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 294
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 12:14 pm: |
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I've just finished this book.
Is this some kind of Joke?
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2318
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 12:17 pm: |
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Bob,
finished. me too. Good isn't it?
Do you understand the ending?
Jenni |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 296
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 2:51 pm: |
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Ending! I didn't understand the beginning or the Middle.
From what I can understand his suspect was in Whitechapel in 1888 and might have known someone called Mary.
As for his assertion that he has done what no other researcher has done - namely definitely establish who Mary Kelly was- that's ridiculous.
According to Barnett MJKs father was called John. This chap has found a family with the wrong number of brothers and sisters and with the head of the family called Hubert. But it is possible one of the brothers died off, and as for the father having the wrong name - well perhaps Barnett made a mistake - but don't worry its definitely the right family.
I mean has this guy been smoking laverbread or what!
Bob |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2319
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 3:49 pm: |
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Hi Bob,
well yes. I just understood the ending the least. I felt it ended kinda abruptly. I mean, I don't know, I felt like there was a chapter missing. Still it's been a few days now since i finished it!!
Jenni
ps no not convinced here! |
Debra J. Arif
Sergeant
Username: Dj
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 4:06 pm: |
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Hi all
I was going to get this book, but I don't think I will bother now!
The Kelly family he cites in 1881 did have at least 7 sons and 3 daughters if you look at the 1871 entry as well.
There was a daughter Bridget in this family, slightly older than Mary who married in 1878, I mentioned it on another thread but I was unregistered then, but one of the possibles for her marriage ( from a choice of 2) was a Davies.
Turned out that she married the other guy named on the page though!
Debra |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2320
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 4:32 pm: |
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hi Debra,
I enjoyed the book very much.
perhpas not though for the reasons the author intended!
Jenni |
Debra J. Arif
Sergeant
Username: Dj
Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 4:45 pm: |
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Hi Jeni
why did you enjoy it then?...is it worth buying ?
Debra |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 297
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 4:20 am: |
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Dear Debra,
Absolutely if you have a coffee table with one leg 1.03" too short this book will prop it up admirably! |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2413
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 4:39 am: |
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As I type am ten pages away from the 'abrupt' ending! Cant wait!!!
Bob ('s your "Uncle!")-As I said it takes a lot to render me partially speechless....but this has done it! If you're going to do a 'forgery' for God's sake at least make the handwriting CREDIBLE!
Think you may find it's 1.03.5"....see....this man has reduced us to measuring book spines!!!
Debra-
Of course it's worth buying......every home needs a good coffee table book!
Suzi  |
claggy
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 7:40 am: |
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Some interesting points, heard on the radio from Tony Williams.
TONY WILLIAMS,
GREAT GREAT GRAND NEPHEW OF THE MAN.
FOUND A BOX WHICH CONTAINED A KNIFE ALONG WITH TREASURED ITEMS,
INCLUDING MEDALS FROM QUEEN VICTORIA,
A DIARY WITH THE RELEVANT DATES TORN OUT.
HE HAD A PRACTISE IN WHITECHAPEL.
STUDIED THE UTERUS (KEPT SEVERAL IN JARS)
AS HIS WIFE COULDN'T CONCEIVE
AND BRIGHT'S DISEASE (KIDNEY)
BOTH ITEMS REMOVED FROM PROSTITUTES.
MURDERS STOPPED WHEN HE MOVED TO WALES |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2414
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 4:30 pm: |
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GOSH! AM CONVINCED!!!!!!!
N O T !!!!!!!!!
In response....
1. NOT a direct descendant!
2. A box with a knife in it....havent we all got one that grandpa or ma used in some way .....not ripping up unfortunates!!!!
3. We've all got em from grandparents
4. So have we.....must tear some pages out theyre usually very boring and there can be lots of reasons why pages are torn out!
5.hmmmmmm so did many I assume but this is a tad 'convinient'
6. So again did many (Tumblety included!) ok an odd occupation but........
7.Reading the book I feel she may have been hideously grateful for that but although it may have been a bit of a big deal then I dont think it would have driven Sir J to become JTR
8. The Bright's disease thing is as I think non proven
9.HOW was this known! the trade in spare parts was rife!
10.OK the murders stopped! herein lies our mystery! The murders stopped when my great grandmother was 12 too!....praps she grew out of it!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Suzi
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2416
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 4:56 pm: |
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The fact that Quote from the end..'It is not in the least surprising that John Williams refused to record his 'reminiscences' for the public'
That I feel says it all.... there were no such things to recall during this period other than some rather dull self opinionated doctoring for which he no doubt recieved some accolade and of course the rather fine collection of books...Im sure that the library at Aberystwyth is fabulous but as to the Kelly 'family' and the 'connections' NO!
Laver bread is a dangerous thing!
Suzi |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 298
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 3:11 am: |
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Suzi,
You don't know the half of it. Do you realise that the Taffia is completely controlling all laverbread distribution on the west coast out here?
Information has been leeking (deliberate spelling mistake here chaps)out all over about the rise in the laverbread distribution after the cockle prohibition was lifted.
Bob
"When offered laverbread kids - just say NO!" |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2419
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 4:16 am: |
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Bob,
The 'leekage 'is worse than at first suspected!...Enclosed snap taken in the deep South this very morning!
I think we should be told!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2421
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 5:24 am: |
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And............... it doesn't stop there!
The Taffia must be losing their touch!..
Suzi
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2422
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 5:40 am: |
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HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!!!!!!!
This bow tie has only today been discovered amongst the doctor's effects!
CASE CLOSED!
Suzi
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Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2347
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
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Ah the brights disease thing I forgot about that. I am not sure what they mean. I was under the impression she didn't know about it so how could that be the case? Am I wrong about that. Still even so i don't believe Williams did it! |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2348
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 12:58 pm: |
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ps please does anyone know, the evidence he worked for the hospital in Whitechapel, I mean, i maybe need to read the book again? |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2349
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 1:01 pm: |
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Suzi
You know none of my ancestors alive at that recorded their memories. They had access to knives. Were they Jack the Ripper?
Jenni |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2424
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 1:16 pm: |
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Jenni!
Definately!!!!!!! go check!!!!!!! hehe hey get onto or into the chat room about 10 x cant get into mgr at the mo grrrrrrrrrrr |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2425
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 3:11 pm: |
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Hehe....!
This can only go up! OK have read the book and have to say I'm no wiser either!
Interesting tho how Orion thought it a publishing prospect!
anyway carry on Cariad!!!!
Suzixx
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Diana
Chief Inspector
Username: Diana
Post Number: 601
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 10:15 am: |
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What is laverbread? What are cockles?  |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1439
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:53 am: |
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Hi Diana
Laverbread is a type of seaweed which is sometimes referred to as Welsh caviar. Cockles are molluscs like clams or muscles. People go out onto British beaches at low tide to harvest cockles. A few months ago, a tragedy occurred when a group of Chinese immigrants who were cockling were swept away by the incoming tide at Morecombe Bay in northwest England.
Have a look at "Welsh Food: A Delicious Tradition."
Chris
(Message edited by ChrisG on May 06, 2005)
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2427
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:54 am: |
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Bob-(re Diana's question!)
Come in please............... A TRUE description of laverbread MUST be a challenge.....even for you!!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2428
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:57 am: |
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Diana-
Failing that go to http://www.red4.co.uk/Recipes/laverbread.htm
ENJOY!
Suzi x |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2429
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 11:59 am: |
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GOSH!
A Laverthread coming on here!!!!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2431
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 4:48 pm: |
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OK back to Dr W!!!!
Not sure .,...to be honest I can take any of this to be credible.............way too may incidentals excuse me I may be cynical here BUT.....................
Suzi |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 299
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 6:48 am: |
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Laver bread is pureed edible seaweed. It is coated with oatmeal and fried.
It looks like a cowpat! |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2433
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 11:05 am: |
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Depending on where it's cooked.........tastes like it too!!!
He He!
Suzi
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Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2436
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 1:06 pm: |
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RIGHT!
At the end of the day well prepared and well cooked laverbread is EXCELLENT!.....for those of us in GB the ONLY place to get it is Swansea Market,where you can buy almost ANYTHING!..... a superb experience... laverbread notwihstanding!
Suzi |
Suzi Hanney
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 2443
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2005 - 4:23 pm: |
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WITHSTANDING! as well! seriously tho I have yet to think of something I CANT buy there! well maybe the odd uterus!!
Maybe on a Tuesday!
Suzi} |
duncan
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 5:50 pm: |
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halfway through book, just remembered how many people in whitechapel at the time. why does jack have to be a famous person .....dunc |
Ripperologist magazine
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 3:22 pm: |
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Hi all
We have an exclusive interview with Tony Williams and Humphrey Price in the forthcoming May issue of Ripperologist, where they answer many of the questions posed by posters here.
Full details of the issue's contents will appear here in the next couple of days.
Regards
Adam
Ripperologist
www.ripperologist.info
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Helen_B
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 5:27 am: |
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I have just finished reading this and I've been left with more questions (and suspects) than I started with. It is interesting to note the handwritten note Dr Williams sent 'Morgan' on 23 August 1888 saying he wouldn't be able to meet him on 8 September as he would be at a clinic in Whitechapel. The author puts this forward as evidence that Uncle Jack had other plans for this evening. Nice to see he kept a tidy social calendar and noted his murderous intentions 16 days in advance! |
Chris e
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:26 am: |
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I cannot believe the racists comments on here. I have read the book and spoken to the author. The evidence backing up Tony William's claims is strong. I think you guys just like keeping the mystery going. The evidence supporting John Williams being the Ripper is stronger than any other suspect by far. |
David Knott
Detective Sergeant
Username: Dknott
Post Number: 96
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 4:56 am: |
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What evidence? I didn't notice any when I read the book. |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 300
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 8:30 am: |
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Dear Chris E
I must admit you have found something I haven't on two counts:
1. Racist comments - please explain.
2. Evidence ditto.
Having read Mr Williams book I find he presents no evidence at all, apart from the fact his suspect was in the East End in 1888, and does in fact make some ludicrous assertions, especially concerning the family of Mary Kelly.
If I am in error and in fact Mr Williams has presented good, compelling evidence to support his case perhaps you would be so kind as to tell me on which pages this evidence is presented!
yours
Bob Hinton
from Kidwelly in Wales. |
AJW
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 2:41 am: |
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There is no evidence at all 'supporting John Williams being the Ripper.' |
Phil Hill
Sergeant
Username: Phil
Post Number: 31
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 12:24 pm: |
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Chris e -
Like Bob, I am at a loss to understand your comment about racism in this thread; or why you believe that the case made in the book is so strong.
I too look forward to your explanation.
Phil |
Jennifer D. Pegg
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Jdpegg
Post Number: 2474
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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There is evidence?
Jenni
ps laverbread!
"Stay away from that trap door,
Cos' there's somethin' down there"
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Renee81
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 7:03 pm: |
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I just read the book and i enjoyed it! I think this man should be added to the list! The author had some good points! Im not saying he is for sure but none of the suspects listed are a sure thing! I just think some people get hooked on one suspect and fail to see all sides of it so that when someone elses name comes up they get all mad! |
gamekeeper
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 10:09 pm: |
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i read the book and it made me dream that I was jack the ripper...so there u go,it was me what done it.baaa |
Bob Hinton
Inspector
Username: Bobhinton
Post Number: 301
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 6:15 am: |
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Dear Renee 81,
I am more than willing to see 'all sides of it'. What sides exactly are you talking about here?
Can you point to one item which links Dr Williams to the murders? |
chris e
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 11:39 am: |
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Just look at the comments about Taffia, Laverbread, cockles etc. There is as much evidence to support Tony Williams' book as any other suspect. |
