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Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1213
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:54 am: | 
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The A-z and other sources give Coles' date of birth as 1865. However, the entry for the family in the 1871 census gives her age at that time as 11, which, if true, would mean she was born in 1860/61.
Here is the entry for the family:
Transcribed this reads as follows:
1871 Census:
8 White Lion Court, Leather Market, Bermondsey
Head:
James W Coles aged 51 born Woolland, Somerset - Master boot and shoe maker
Wife:
Mary A Coles aged 40 born Hammerton, Scotland
Children:
Mary A aged 18 born Bermondsey
Selina aged 14 born Bermondsey
Frances aged 11 born Bermondsey
James aged 8 born Bermondsey
As also mentioned in the entry about Coles on the Casebook site, her father James William Coles is later to be found in the workhouse:
1881:
Father:
Workhouse, Russell Street, Bermondsey
James Coles aged 61 born Woolleston, Somerset - Shoemaker.
Unmarried
1891:
Father:
Bermondsey District Workhouse
James William Coles aged 68 born Bristol - Retired bootmaker
Widowed
In the 1891 census her sister Mary Ann is listed as follows:
1891:
Mary Ann Coles (Sister)
32 Ware Street, Haggerston, Shoreditch
Mary Ann Coles aged 28 born Bermondsey - House cleaning (Char) - Unmarried
There is an obvious discrepancy here as regards age as Mary Ann is listed in 1871 as 18 years old.
Interesting it appears that Frances Coles' sister Selina may have been at the time of Frances' death an inmate in Leavesden asylum. I found this entry in the asylum records for 1891:
1891:
Selina Coles (Sister)
Leavesden Asylum, Watford
Selina Cole (sic) aged 32 born Bermondsey - Book folder - Lunatic
A possible 1881 entry for Selina Coles shows her living as an inmate of the Union Workhouse in Southwark. This reads as follows:
1881:
Selina Coles
St Olaves Unions Workhouse, Southwark
Selina Cole aged 21 born Southwark, Surrey - Domestic servant - Inmate
There are still a lot of threads to follow and anything I find I will post here
Chris |
Janet Armstrong, nee Coles
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:47 am: |
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Anyone else think they may be related to Frances Coles, or other victims? |
T. Harvey
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 9:10 am: |
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I have strong family connections to Mary Kelly, actually Mary Cowley. I even have photographs, can't say much as I'm in the middle of writing the book. But lets just say, one hundred and seventeen years of assumptions have been very, very wrong. And the killings most certainly did not end November 1888.
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John Keefe
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 4:03 pm: |
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Hi Chris:
Here's some more information on the Coles family:
I believe that Frances' mother Mary Ann died in 1878. The Mary Ann Coles death record from St. Olave Southwark, Sep 1878, Vol. 1d, Pg. 182 is probably hers although her true age would be either 46 or 47, not age 42 as recorded on the death cert.
Frances' brother James was apparently in the Army in 1881. I believe this census record is his:
James William Coles
Stoughton Barracks, Stoughton Guildford - Age 18
Private 2nd Surrey Militia - Unmarried
It appears that he was born during the last qtr, of 1862; a James William Coles' birth was recorded in St. Olave Southwark, Dec 1862, Vol. 1d, Pg. 3_
Also, here's an puzzling death record from St. Olave Southwark: Selina Coles (Age 0) Sep 1877, Vol. 1d, Pg. 115
To get further details on these records I would have to order individual certificates at £7.00 each, a fee that I don't want to pay right now.
Anyway, I hope this helps.
Thanks for the interesting information on Frances' family.
John Keefe |
George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 646
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 6:04 pm: |
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Stoughton Barracks is only a mile or so from me. It still stands today - I have some old Edwardian postcards of it. The main building - now known as Cardwell's Keep - is now a set of exclusive apartments.
T Harvey - Yeah. Nice.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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